chile Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 well said gabe. theres more resources to learn from now and tutorials showing how to do many scratches.. so what? the best scratches you develop yourself, these ones come from combinations of taught scratches and your own take on shit.. tutorials are loose guides to some scratch combos.. eventually you throw it away once you have the basics down and you go your own path.. its your choice if you never stray from a tutorial and then become a 'carbon copy' NOT the tutorials fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 well said gabe. theres more resources to learn from now and tutorials showing how to do many scratches.. so what? the best scratches you develop yourself, these ones come from combinations of taught scratches and your own take on shit.. tutorials are loose guides to some scratch combos.. eventually you throw it away once you have the basics down and you go your own path.. its your choice if you never stray from a tutorial and then become a 'carbon copy' NOT the tutorials fault<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed. you have to understand rules and boundries in order to break them wisely. I can refer back the Dali quote in the 1 deck juggles thread. People who are afraid to borrow ideas will never create or produce anything. Different people learn different ways. Its like telling peeople playing guitar not to learn how to play basic chords because everybody does. You have to have an understanding of the basics and the advanced in order to progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 well said gabe. theres more resources to learn from now and tutorials showing how to do many scratches.. so what? the best scratches you develop yourself, these ones come from combinations of taught scratches and your own take on shit.. tutorials are loose guides to some scratch combos.. eventually you throw it away once you have the basics down and you go your own path.. its your choice if you never stray from a tutorial and then become a 'carbon copy' NOT the tutorials fault<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed. you have to understand rules and boundries in order to break them wisely. I can refer back the Dali quote in the 1 deck juggles thread. People who are afraid to borrow ideas will never create or produce anything. Different people learn different ways. Its like telling peeople playing guitar not to learn how to play basic chords because everybody does. You have to have an understanding of the basics and the advanced in order to progress.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I reckon you're taking it the wrong with both kper and deeswift gabe... I interpretted dee saying cats are lazy these days and want it spoon fed to them from tutorial videos, but they don't want to actually watch stuff, listen to audio, and break it down for themselves... laziness, and I think kper said 'at least you're doing in in private', he's not saying don't try 1 deck juggles, just don't bust them in a battle or a showcase like they're something new... unless you've flipped it in some way, which most people haven't been... they're not saying don't learn from this stuff, just don't carbon copy it and repeat what's already been done, try and push things to another level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Like I said. Part of art is borrowing from other artists. If you want to be 1 hundred percent orginal you would have to create your own instruement and style of music. Shit, if your creating music, your unoriginal under you description. Your not the first person to create music so your unoriginal. Immulation is not easy, and its also the highest form of flattering. yeah it sucks sometimes, but thats how art is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Like I said. Part of art is borrowing from other artists. If you want to be 1 hundred percent orginal you would have to create your own instruement and style of music. Shit, if your creating music, your unoriginal under you description. Your not the first person to create music so your unoriginal. Immulation is not easy, and its also the highest form of flattering. yeah it sucks sometimes, but thats how art is.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> yea, I think you're missing the point... it's not that you shouldn't emulate... just don't stop there, and also part of learning is also experimenting for yourself without guidance, if someone tells you how to do every cut, there's not much experimentation to learn it, and like dee was saying, all of the cuts he referenced were interpretations and mistakes made trying to learn cuts they heard and weren't told how to do... EDIT: and with kper talking about the 1 deck juggles, like... 1 deck juggles haven't really progressed since 2001... I think that's the main point there, a lot of people do them, but don't do anything new with them, cept lil mike adding some drumming and stuff, thas about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Different people have different feelings on art. Look at cover bands. I dislike them. But some people are passionate about someone elses music. Some people are good at immulating and that is the art they love. Maybe I dont want to create my own scratches. maybe I wanna do an exact technique as someone else. I dont but, art is open for everyone to do what they want. Some people paint by color some people paint from the imagination. The sad truth is, what does it matter if your 100 percent original. Have of artist will never be known or appreciated. So if its a hobby. Do what you want. Some people build model airplanes that look like mini versions of he real thing. Does that make them biters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Different people have different feelings on art. Look at cover bands. I dislike them. But some people are passionate about someone elses music. Some people are good at immulating and that is the art they love. Maybe I dont want to create my own scratches. maybe I wanna do an exact technique as someone else. I dont but, art is open for everyone to do what they want. Some people paint by color some people paint from the imagination. The sad truth is, what does it matter if your 100 percent original. Have of artist will never be known or appreciated. So if its a hobby. Do what you want. Some people build model airplanes that look like mini versions of he real thing. Does that make them biters?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hear what you're saying, but I hear what they're saying too... it's all perspective, I think the newer school dj's like us sometimes can be lazy with learning tho, I think that's the message, we're in an age where we get all this ish shown to us on DIY, and we've never heard cash money or jazzy jeff cut, and never had to figure out cuts from audio on our own and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 The old school always thinks the new school is lazy. In every instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huw Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 who's deeswift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattnice Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 it don't matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimrod Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 it don't matter<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 who's deeswift?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> you know the secret grand master that taught qbert everything he knows? ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopherEightyFive Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 goddamn.. dee's practice files from 5 years ago are insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Dee is a very talented and underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 dee bit my style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I had a cut with Reezy last night. He's picked up those one-clicks from the master himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 yea, he was having trouble with them so I helped him out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Funny. Have you even cut with Dee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I was thinking about starting a "Who can do the best SASD imitation?" comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vekked Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 max, p.s. I'm a dee n00b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I was thinking about starting a "Who can do the best SASD imitation?" comp.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I love that fiona beat he cuts on, can someone post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I can post the stripped down break. I don't know of anyone who has a copy of the instrumental that awkward made out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I belive that its on a break record as an instrumental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blak Randy Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 The cut that is mentioned in this thread origionally is absolutely fucking insane. I have not heard ANYONE do anything like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monophonic Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 yo Deeswift, those audio links @ your blog site don´t work anymore.. And I NEED to hear them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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