So: Rob Swift, then, eh?

[Guest petesasqwax]

*popcorn*

[Mike-L]

I must say, I was surprised that notable scratch deejays were arguing on the internet.

[Guest petesasqwax]

I must say, I was surprised that notable scratch deejays were arguing on the internet.

POTD

 

Lock this thread - we're done here!

[DJ Rock Well]

We really are!

[Deft]

I'm out of the loop, someone give me the abstract, ideally without any Facebook links.

[DJ Rock Well]

Erm... It's 2016, the Internet is huge, apart from getting everything for free and giving every household easy access to gutwrenchingly strong pornography, everybody who doesn't see the world in quite the same way as another person has an open stage to post whiney monologues about how they're the one true God and everyone not following 'their rules' is wrong. Bring back IRL fights in the street outside the pub IMO and then we can all go back to being real men. As least it's giving us a moment's respite from all shameless, mostly fictional self promotion that social media is usually home to, I guess.

[Deft]

I've tried to have as a mini new years resolution, not to read comments below news stories etc. Just a outpouring of every possible opinion which really doesn't influence me (I'm obviously right / set in my ways), so is just a waste of time. Refreshing to see the diversity of stupidity once in a while, but I try to block it out.

[danswift]

Wise words indeed

[Vekked]

Erm... It's 2016, the Internet is huge, apart from getting everything for free and giving every household easy access to gutwrenchingly strong pornography, everybody who doesn't see the world in quite the same way as another person has an open stage to post whiney monologues about how they're the one true God and everyone not following 'their rules' is wrong. Bring back IRL fights in the street outside the pub IMO and then we can all go back to being real men. As least it's giving us a moment's respite from all shameless, mostly fictional self promotion that social media is usually home to, I guess.

FLOLLL

[Guest petesasqwax]

Deft - I'm not sure I can do links to much other than Facebook so let me do a basic wrap up:

Rob Swift writes a 3 book series about how Fly and Netik have smeared a shit filled baguette all over the collective faces of Herc, Bam, Theodore, Flash etc. with their recent video. Fly posts a video of a quick off the cuff juggle that blows Rob Swift's mind so completely that it transports him to the mid-90s where he juggles with "Another One Bites The Dust" for 3 days and then points at his biceps, presumably to explain that he can't do what Fly does because his arms no longer function correctly (possibly as a result of some kind of gym torture process he has been subjected to*)

*unconfirmed - waiting to hear back from Booya on that one

[Vekked]

Both Fly and Rob Swift's recent routine vids were pretty lackluster too. The output on the Ruffazoid beef was definitely a lot better.

[Guest Symatic]

Ruftone and Ruck should team up and battle Rob, Fly and Netik - battle for the best beef!

[Deft]

1:34 I assumed was a 1min 34sec battle vid, but it's 1 hour 34 mins of some gibberish. WTF. I AIN'T GOT TIME FOR THAT (well, I have). I need < 140 character tweets bitches.

[Vekked]

1:34 I assumed was a 1min 34sec battle vid, but it's 1 hour 34 mins of some gibberish. WTF. I AIN'T GOT TIME FOR THAT (well, I have). I need < 140 character tweets bitches.

 

oh ya, the video is longer than the entire beef itself

[Phology]

 

Agree with Vekked comments at 16:47

[Steve]

Who's that crackhead I-Dee's talking to in that video?

 

I liked that Netik/Fly video. It's not like both of those guys aren't excellent, accomplished DJs who couldn't come up with anything if you said "you have to do it the old school way!". Using editing and cue points allows you to do a live performance of something that sounds like it was multitracked and made up of multiple layers. That's cool to me.

 

Too much editing/pre-production can take away from a routine though, especially in a battle. I like to hear juggles where the DJ has taken a section of a song, as is, and is creating something new by manipulating it live.

[Guest petesasqwax]

Agree with Vekked comments at 16:47

 

Absolutely. It's so easy to let a hyper-critical approach ruin your enjoyment of basically everything.

[Vekked]

Who's that crackhead I-Dee's talking to in that video?

:'(... bodybag.

 

I liked that Netik/Fly video. It's not like both of those guys aren't excellent, accomplished DJs who couldn't come up with anything if you said "you have to do it the old school way!". Using editing and cue points allows you to do a live performance of something that sounds like it was multitracked and made up of multiple layers. That's cool to me.

Yea exactly. Outside of a battle you can't really hold people to the same standards of doing everything live on the spot. Like I did cuts on a couple scratch hooks for a rapper and toured with him performing the cuts, but some were layered in a way that was impossible to re-create live, so I just left a couple parts on the beat. This would obviously be super corny in a battle, but outside of a battle when the goal is to make the track sound as close to the recording as possible the same rules don't apply.

[DJ Rock Well]

People dancing don't really care which buttons you did or didn't press I reckon. The ones standing still filming everything in their phones might take issue, but that's a whole other discussion for another day

[ELGEE]

Lol rob is deleting any comment that dis agrees with him on his Facebook.

[Guest It'sPhilFromThursdays]

Erm... It's 2016, the Internet is huge, apart from getting everything for free and giving every household easy access to gutwrenchingly strong pornography, everybody who doesn't see the world in quite the same way as another person has an open stage to post whiney monologues about how they're the one true God and everyone not following 'their rules' is wrong. Bring back IRL fights in the street outside the pub IMO and then we can all go back to being real men. As least it's giving us a moment's respite from all shameless, mostly fictional self promotion that social media is usually home to, I guess.

 

 

POTD

 

Lock this thread - we're done here!

 

 

This thread is 100% pure win-age. This thread is why DV was made. This thread is why internet was made. This thread wins battle. This thread better than all three dj's output ever.

 

Rocky's post was perhaps the funniest post i've read on here and that's saying something cos you dudes crack me up.

 

All in all you can all awards yourself all with two house points (all).

[Jam Burglar]

Vekked, look at you, being all smart and introspective in real life. I agree 100% you have to look at context. I agree that you can't be all hyper critical about sets like this. You can see they put that together for fun not for a skills showcase or a battle.

 

You know, I'm wondering if Rob is just missing the mark because he's dancing around the issue of "authenticity" ("authenticity" being code for you're not real unless you're black or Hispanic and from NYC.) I wonder whether its more about Rob being pissed seeing some white European guys getting shine for a hip hop routine. Think about it, a black dude from Queens who came up on the heels of the founders is probably going to feel that the core is getting lost in translation more than any of us. If you look at the historical context of black music being pillaged I can see why he would be sensitive to that. So, I get that sentiment but he's got the wrong target by a mile. It's like he's trying to claim Netik and Fly are faking it. That's just missing the mark. Those guys have put in the work and paid their dues. It's just that hip hop does not translate to every different culture perfectly, so those guys doing "hip hop" is not going to have that same feel as an NYC or Philly DJ. But maybe that's a good thing! I think mastering the craft is not just learning the techniques and styles and trying build on it, but you have to be yourself to achieve true expression through music. I have to admit when I see Fly and Netik with hand gestures and head nods something just feels a little awkward there but they're doing THEIR thing and their skills are beyond question as far as I'm concerned. So Rob trying to go at their skills on the pre-production argument looks like misplaced anger to me. Not only misplaced as to what they are doing, but also misplaced as to who they are.

[joeClockwork]

People dancing don't really care which buttons you did or didn't press

 

True. However, people dancing do care about the DJ spontaneously bursting into a sloppy 5 minute beat juggle full of halftime chases and hissing drums sounds. But that's also another discussion!

[joeClockwork]

You know, I'm wondering if Rob is just missing the mark because he's dancing around the issue of "authenticity" ("authenticity" being code for you're not real unless you're black or Hispanic and from NYC.) I wonder whether its more about Rob being pissed seeing some white European guys getting shine for a hip hop routine. Think about it, a black dude from Queens who came up on the heels of the founders is probably going to feel that the core is getting lost in translation more than any of us. If you look at the historical context of black music being pillaged I can see why he would be sensitive to that. So, I get that sentiment but he's got the wrong target by a mile. It's like he's trying to claim Netik and Fly are faking it. That's just missing the mark. Those guys have put in the work and paid their dues. It's just that hip hop does not translate to every different culture perfectly, so those guys doing "hip hop" is not going to have that same feel as an NYC or Philly DJ. But maybe that's a good thing! I think mastering the craft is not just learning the techniques and styles and trying build on it, but you have to be yourself to achieve true expression through music. I have to admit when I see Fly and Netik with hand gestures and head nods something just feels a little awkward there but they're doing THEIR thing and their skills are beyond question as far as I'm concerned. So Rob trying to go at their skills on the pre-production argument looks like misplaced anger to me. Not only misplaced as to what they are doing, but also misplaced as to who they are.

 

Yeah, this ^^

[klustor]

This whole situation is kinda odd to me, cause I don't really see what's so different to the way battles are done today. The days of people doing real vinyl, like no dubs, nothing, just straight up released pressed vinyl went out of the DMC era in like 2001ish or some shit, not to mention most of the battles today seem to rely on a certain amount of pre-production. I'm not saying pre-recorded cuts, but more of a convenient arrangement. It's called advancement, it's people using tools to their advantage to reach new limits of what's possible rather than sticking to what was possible 20 years ago. Both are good, but if that's the way you choose to do things then good for you. What makes me laugh is it's like a bunch of people saw Rob's comments then all started jumping on the bandwagon, "oh shit, if you look at 2:34.645 for a split second the fader is closed but I can still hear that deck, proof it's pre-recorded, fakes" whatever. Then Rob comes back with a juggle. Like, if we are gonna look at things here, how does that even compare? Complex routine that musta taken hours of arrangement - 3 minute juggle. Don't get me wrong, I grew up listening to Rob Swift, X-Ecutioners, I respect the guy and he's got some crazy skills, and that juggle would have taken practice and skill to pull off, but unless Rob is gonna turn around and do a similar complex routine with all vinyl, no DVS, no cue points, I just don't get what the juggle was supposed to achieve. The point is, it's not possible with vinyl. The routine they did wouldn't have been possible without pre-production, and somehow to some people that makes it less legit. It wasn't like they just beat chased each segment, they showcased serious skill in the execution of it all and it was on point. I know tablism is always gonna be competitive, but fuck me Rob, pop a Valium buddy.