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#121 DJ Rock Well

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:37 AM

After much soul searching i've now decided that i need to properly get with the times when it comes down to music production.

So,after almost two years of resistance I now finally have a brand new laptop with Ableton.

I am collecting it tomorrow.


I'm quite excited about it all to be honest even though I don't know how it works yet.


The forbidden world of multiple Plugins and VST's awaits !

What is a SoftSynth..?

No explanation matters..I shall discover the virtual delights of these things for myself !

No more fucking around with faulty Mini Disc recorders and tape decks for me..

That shit is old !..fuck that.



Help me,please men...


What on earth have I gone and fucking done ?

I am sorry.

Please forgive me.


Well done Grandad!

Once you get into you won't look back and I for one, can't wait to hear what you do with it :)
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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:58 AM

Thank you Matt.


Why do I feel so alone and afraid though...is this normal ?
Symatic on O9 May 2016-08.49 PM said
oh dan you filthy bastard why open such a nerd can of worms to a bunch of beat perverts like you find on here ???
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 11:43 AM

Yes, the elderly often feel cold and isolated at this time of year :d


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 11:44 AM

Hehehe..

That comment genuinely made me laugh out loud.
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Symatic on O9 May 2016-08.49 PM said
oh dan you filthy bastard why open such a nerd can of worms to a bunch of beat perverts like you find on here ???
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#125 DJ Rock Well

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:08 PM

I aim to please ;)

Seriously though, get through the digital wasteland, learn the bits you really have to and you'll be doing some great stuff.

You don't have to get into 'computer production' as such, just use the tools you need to get the job done. Personally, I've found that it's much quicker to get much further on a track on computer based setup and plugins allow you to do much more with samples. Wether that's whole new tricks or just that if I was working with hardware, I'd never have that much outboard gear.

I suppose overall I still use my laptop and Maschine to do what I could've done with an MPC and stacks of outboard processing gear. I can just get the job done quicker and cheaper.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 02:46 PM

I'm actually looking forward to learning as I go along.

The most important aspect of making tracks for me has always been a 'can I pull this off in a live situation' type of thing and as you know I record everything I do directly to the MD recorder or a tape deck,one take with no overdubs style.

There's a real satisfaction from doing things that way which I suppose just stems from the fact that I was a musician who played live for years with a big emphasis on improvisation and the ability to switch things up and change direction if needed because when you're playing live and especially in front of an audience where there's no hiding place if you fuck things up,even more so if it's just yourself and an acoustic guitar for example..a situation I always found quite rewarding tbh..my own personal motto being a 'Be good or go home' type of mentality.

I also was extremely fortunate to play music for many years with my brother,a guy who was truly talented but also a perfectionist and a bloody hard taskmaster at times but we pushed each other hard to become better musicians in every way,there was never any middle ground whenever I played with Dee..it was intense but it was the way we had to do it and I'm glad we did.

The drawback to all of this is that if I'm recording a take with the sampler running live and I fuck it up or mis cue a pad then I'm literally having to start the track from the beginning again because there's no way to just drop back in to rectify the mistake I've just made which can be very frustrating at times.

At the moment I'm working on some stuff that is pretty complex with a lot of changes of tempo and samples flying in all directions and tbh I'm getting to the stage where im gonna have to invest in another SP 404 in order to achieve what I'm setting out to do when it comes to composition.

In the end it just makes a lot more sense really to stop being so stubborn and have the tools to edit things and map out and lay down the drums or arrangements properly for the type of tracks I'm making so the laptop and Ableton is the correct way forward I reckon.

I'm not gonna be selling my soul in doing things this way which is how I was more or less looking at it and which was the wrong attitude I've come to realise now.

The time was inevitably going to come where I could only take things so far,so to make the switch now is definitely the right thing to do.
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Symatic on O9 May 2016-08.49 PM said
oh dan you filthy bastard why open such a nerd can of worms to a bunch of beat perverts like you find on here ???
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#127 DJ Rock Well

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 04:12 PM

I think my first two year's worth of beats were each an excuse to learn something, wether that was new tools or random self imposed limitations. Whatever is was, every one had a background task.

 

You're clearly on the same wavelength as what I was badly waffling about above. You don't have to change everything you're already doing. But as you say, the inability to edit the odd mis-step is just wasting precious time IMO.

 

Likewise, I don't get too involved in the 'correct' sonics of a track... great for dancefloor impact and all that, but that's not me. Plus I mostly listen to old music where different track fill different frequencies in different ways or even not at all. But even saying that, I still want the finished thing to have some degree of overall balance/coherence - occasionally I listen to something on some different speakers say and one sound might be annoying dull or bright or whatever. Just being able to go in after the fact and spend 5 mins balancing out a mix or fix a real clanger is so valuable to me. Applied to you, I don't think that would rob from your musician's skills and work ethic either, just present your vision in the best possible way.

 

Again, not neccesarily anything that applies to you, but I often feel production nerds and musicians could be a lot better off by learning a little of the other's skills. In fact maybe it does apply to you as you're really good example of these things succesfully colliding...

 

Buy anyway, so many times I've heard music made on a computer that's technically outstanding and yet all I can think is this person wouldn't know a good tune, or riff or even chord if it bit them on the arse. Conversely, I lost count how many times I've encountered great musicians with a wealth of musical talent, who kill live shows but then produce the most sterile, dull album possible - pretty much always because they are only interested in being a musician and think if the music and lyrics are strong enough, nothing else matters. Bullshit. Pretty much all the old good music in existence in the history of recorded music is partnership between great musicians and the skills and techniques in the studio that captured and ultimately immortalised their vision. It's why record collectors fetishize certain labels and studios, they had the artists AND the sound.


(sorry, tangent rant there... on what was already a thread tangent :$ )


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#128 Flexinoodle

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:45 PM

3rd iPad inbound, they are taking over here !!!
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That's me in the corner ? I said RME not REM dickhead !!



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