easydrop Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Finally got myself a M447 for scratchinas i set my turnatable tonearm at 3 ..without putting the extra weight thing for the M447its skip sometimes when i scratch very fast, should i put more weight on the needleor actually what should i do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banano Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 definitely put the extra weight on !!!!! (the little square slab thing) also bear in mind that you have to break the needle in a bit. they are still very 'sharp' when you get em. plus if your decks are on a wobbly table then nothings going to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 I'd say the opposite. I use 2.5 grammes for the tonearm setting and I don't use the additional weight. I get no skipping at all. I'd say let your needle wear in first though. Try it with and without the weight and see what is better. Really though, the tonearm is a counterbalance. If you install the weight or not, you still balance it then add 2.5-4 grammes of weight so I don't see what difference it makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 oh, thanks..so quick reply !!alrite I will put the extra weight thing on later on !!!yeah..i have heard about they need time to get to the best performace..which means i need to pratice more to get them un-sharp ?! i wouldn't worry about my decks, coz i just changed to a steady one...never wobble anyway, thanks for solving my problem !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 haha...just want to know u guy have same problem as mewhen i change record..i sometimes drop my needle to the side, do u ?damn....it damage my needle so much, isn't it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huw Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 DON'T PUT THE EXTRA WEIGHT ON. extra weight can cause needles to skip even more. leave them on a stationary record overnight. let them break in, this can take up to a month. use to more than 3g's of weight with no square weight piece. this is what gives most people the best results. also reduces vinyl wear too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixologist Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Alright whatever you do don't put the extra weight on. in stead lleave it around 3, make sure the tonearm is lying straight across when you place the needle n the record too. now WITHOUT the record playing, leave the tonearm set up like that for a couple of days, it won't be totally borken in after those couple of days, it'll porbably take like huw said around amonth of just regular usage, but leaving the tone arm set-up speeds up the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 appreciated u guys advisethen I just leave it at 3 without the extra weight squareone more question..do u guys really so careful when placing the needle onto record everytime ?? coz i do sometimes drop it aside accidencly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djscrizzle Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 for me, i usually place the needle down fairly carefully, its kinda rare for me to drop the needle to the side, or onto the record. i might drop it if i'm in a hurry 'cause i didnt cue-up the record in time, with 10 sec. left in the current track for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixologist Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Always be careful wit the needle and palce it down fairly slowly, on't jsut drop it, obviously bumping once here or thre wouldn't be that big of a probelm, depending on how bad, but if you just life the thing up and drop it all the time your needle will be fucked quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 It's worse if you knock it sideways. Not only will it blunt the stylus, it will scratch your tunes. Be more careful Easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 yo!! i am getting used to with my new M447it works pretty good now..no skip at allexcept with one battle record, mayeb that record fuckup....would it be ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Get SUPER GEEKY. Use a spirit level and adjust the feet of the turntable to mkae it perfectly level. Every little helps Antiskate OFF Small amounts of weight, leave the needle in a groove overnight every night and it'll break in quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-Se7en Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 make sure there's no play in the spindle hole of the record that is causing you trouble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownstyle Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 make sure there's no play in the spindle hole of the record that is causing you trouble...<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Also make sure the record is not warped or "overbent" on each side.. Basically make sure the record is dead flat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 nah...that record is flat !! and i clean my record regularly as wellwhat i am think is, maybe before i got the m447i was scratching with the old cartrigde, which is actually so much damage ( by my fuckin cousin ) and i was scratchin on that particular battle record all the time..so i might fuck it up that way ~~ I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 It's just a battle record dude You use 'em, rag em, bin 'em Battle records aren't anything special Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 ^^Yeah I agree with that. As for why it skips, I've got a couple that are just badly pressed. They aren't warped and the hole in the centre isn't loose, but they still skip. It's bad luck I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 yeah...just bad luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banano Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I took the weights off and you're all right about em. Wish I'd known this 3 years ago :red_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Hehe. I think back on the Stanton board I said the same thing to Dub and he took the weights off and found it to be worse. Also a mate of mine had to put the weights on because his needles were skipping, but his Techs are about 10 years old and the tonearms are a bit loose. I'd always advise people to start off without them though and only add them if they have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easydrop Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 the problem of that record i have solvedits a bit loose with the hole in the middlejust used some tape and it works pretty good now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I have to use the headshell weights on my Stanton 520 SK's, or else they skip. It isn't a problem of tonearm or stability, or not being broken in, they're just crummy cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chee Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Aren't the extra headshell weights used so you can balance the tonearm properly? Like if the counter-weight at the back of the tonearm is too heavy, and you can't actually get the tone-arm to 'float' prior to putting any weight on it, *then* you put on the extra headshell weight. Anyhoo, here's how I balance my tonearms for use with the M447's. It's actually a well documented technique, written by Shure themselves, and has appeared on the Shure Turntablism 101 video & the instructions that come with your carts! Mount the cart in your headshell, and attach it to the tonearm. Then turn the counter weight anticlockwise enough, so that the tonearm floats, and is level. Use the extra headshell weight OR the extra bit at the end of your tonearm if you need to. This is your zero point. Adjust the black circle on the counterweight so that it reads '0'. Now turn the counterweight clockwise til you get to '3' - this is therefore 3 grams of weight on the needle. You can go between 3g and 3.5g. I personally use 3g (less weight = less record wear). Antiskate should be set to zero, and I usually put the height of the tonearm at the lowest setting (ie the large ring at the base of the tonearm mechanism) turned anti-clockwise all the way). Also, I've found needles to be pretty tough! I've had them bent one way, only to be bent back and they still work. Not the best for tracking after that has happened though, but at least it still worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 One cartridge that's terrible is the sc35c. It's horrible. I went through sooo many stylii when i used those things. they tear up your records and don't track particularly well. So now i just have two of them sitting around with no stylii that i never use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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