Graft Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Everybody is talking about that one should learn the basics before moving to the more advanced stuff. But what is basics? I've just been involved in a discussion at another (norwegian) board about basic scratches. In my opinion techniques like babies, forwards, stabs, tears, chirps and maybe transforms are among the basic techniques (the first ones more basic than the last ones). However, I see that some peeps (mostly new school cats?) consider even crabs and flares to be basic techniques. They consider combos of techniques to be advanced techniques. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deeswift Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Flares and crabs are most definately not part of the basics. Only a n00b would say they are. Basics are the ones you mentioned -- forwards, baby, stab, military march, chirps, transforms, tears, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixologist Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 agreed. I wish i could perfect chirps cause mine suck, they sound dope if done right and quick. MY favortie scratchw ould have to be the transform tear though. Anyways yea, i think the problem today is everyone wants to be the next Qbert and Deeswift, the thing they don't get is that there are progressive steps. Also, if you're a dope scratcher, you can still sound dope with jsut the "basic" scratches, you wouldn't need to do the octopuss scratch to sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deeswift Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Spot on, although I dunno about people wanting to be the next Deeswift! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graft Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 Flares and crabs are most definately not part of the basics. Only a n00b would say they are. Basics are the ones you mentioned -- forwards, baby, stab, military march, chirps, transforms, tears, etc.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can I quote on that on the other board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Reezy Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 quoting the great deeswift... YOU LOSE hahhahaah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$a!n+ Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 How do I do a MARCH SCRATCH COMBO thingy? POST A FILE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deeswift Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Flares and crabs are most definately not part of the basics. Only a n00b would say they are. Basics are the ones you mentioned -- forwards, baby, stab, military march, chirps, transforms, tears, etc.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can I quote on that on the other board?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, don't need to ask. @ Gabe -- Military march is like a baby scratch, but closing the fader at random to make a kind of military sounding rhythm. Did you ever see Turntable Wizardry Volume 1? Qbert explains it on that vid, with Babu performing the cut. It's a very simple scratch, but I remember as a total beginner that it wasn't as easy as it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theturntablehermit Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 gabe its baby's while cathing the fwds rhytmically...so fwd's and baby's to your liking, freaked rythmically...i hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbay Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 my tears need a lot of work. i thought they were basic!!! my forward tears suck donkey nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iexist Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 wiggy wiggy wiggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedostyle Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 funny how most consider forward or back tears simple but clovers are a bitch to get down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I don't see why a flare can't be called a basic technique. If you were to teach someone who'd never cut before how to flare, it would be no harder for them to understand than a chirp. The only reason it's hard for some people is because they spent a long time clicking the fader on to get sounds, rather than off to insert gaps. I used to scratch with Grae before the flare had been discovered and later I found it hard to learn because it was a kind of alien concept at first. If I was to teach someone now, I'd definitely mention flares and the concept of them near the beginning so they understood that the fader can be used both ways to make sounds. I would go for these to begin with: - BabyForwardStabDragChirpTearTipLong Short Tip Tear Then these: - TransformFlareCrabFade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbay Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 steve what a long short tip tear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 It's a combination of baby scratches/chirps and tips. It's the scratch in the first 3 parts of this file: - .:. CLICK .:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxander Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 steve... forwards v stabs? any difference? Dee... you think cats don't wanna sound like you? You'd be surprised! (I'm not @ all exagerating) Military scratch = Combo of Forwards & Babies to your liking (according to DIY) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbay Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 what about those patting things when you pat the record to make short pauses phases/phasing (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Forwards are playing the record at it's set speed and usually you'd play the sample longer as in "cut cut cut cut like a guillotine". Stabs are catching just the start of the sound and can be done at various pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsong56 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 i think everyone should start learning prisms and delayed techniques. lol nahh on the real, myself like alot of others started learning the hard shit first b4 getting the basics down. others start with the basics then the harder shit. all in all everyone sorta levels out in the end... cuz, the people like how i used to be will for the 1st 12mths sound unclean but more technical, others will sound clean but very basic...but peops having good flow. after a few yrs most ways of learning for peops will catch up with each other when the time is right. as everyone says... do what u wanna do at the time... if u wanna start learn flares before transforms then great, if u wanna learn transforms b4 babies and drags then fine, the whole thing is one big learning curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsong56 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 CAN I GET A AMEN ON THAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvr2k22 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 baby forward and stab might be the best to start wid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graft Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 cuz, the people like how i used to be will for the 1st 12mths sound unclean but more technical, others will sound clean but very basic...but peops having good flow. after a few yrs most ways of learning for peops will catch up with each other when the time is right. as everyone says... do what u wanna do at the time... if u wanna start learn flares before transforms then great, if u wanna learn transforms b4 babies and drags then fine, the whole thing is one big learning curve.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course people should do what they feel like. The problem is that most beginners want to be the next world champ in a week and start with the advanced stuff and end up sounding like shit for a long time. I've experienced myself how hard it is to get rid of bad habbits because of moving ahead technically before being ready (I had the basics down hampster style, but changed to regular style and started learning all the tech ish before learning all the basics over again regular style). Flares are more technical than a lot of the basics, but I actually think it's harder to get transforms down tight and sounding right at various tempos than one click flare orbits. Same goes with chirps and tears. But flares has a much more complex sound and it takes much more practice to hear what sounds right and tight, both when others do it and (especially) when you do it yourself. It's much easier to sound like shit when it comes to flares. If you do some of the basic techniques you can actually be a little sloppy and still sound pretty good, because we're all used to old school cuts which tended to be a bit sloppy sometimes. You can get pretty "soulful" with sloppy chirps and transforms while it's pretty much impossible to sound good with sloppy flares. When learning all the advanced stuff first I think the whole learning process takes much longer time because of two things: You need to get a much higher understanding of how scratching "should" sound to even do anything that sounds good (to a trained ear), and you probably have to learn a lot of shit over again because you have so much bad habbits and all your "fundamentals" (which you in fact lack) is mad sloppy and untight. I'd rather listen to someone who has been scratching for 3 months who are basic and clean than someone who has been scratching for 1-2 years (or more) who are technical but unclean. Peeps in the last category is mostly what I hear, and they totally doesn't understand it themselves. Of course this is a bit individual, I've heard peeps who has been scratching for a short period who only do advanced stuff and still sound good. But generally I think most people are better off starting with the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blak Randy Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Really, Really good scratchers can sound awesome without using advanced techniques. I realised that cutting with DAredevil the other week. He is also imense with the advanced shit but there would be times when for a long period he'd just bust transforms ect and sound a million times better than me doing my multiclick shit over and over. Basically watch Qbert pre 1995 or listen to DPSM. He does a million variations of the same techniques where as most people can only do 1 or 2 if you are lucky.Everyone should try recording a file without any flares, crabs ect. It's fucking hard. I did one yesterday for an old school sounding section on a mix tape and it is solid to make it sound really good and varied. Also finally, the amount of prople who think they can do flares but can't and just hit the fader out of time is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuff Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Also finally, the amount of prople who think they can do flares but can't and just hit the fader out of time is stupid.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> who was the guy at london DMC who managed to do this consistently badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blak Randy Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Also finally, the amount of prople who think they can do flares but can't and just hit the fader out of time is stupid.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> who was the guy at london DMC who managed to do this consistently badly?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fucking lol. He was the best man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.