delayed 2 clickers

[pedostyle]

i wanna figure out how to do delayed 1 or 2 click flares but no where have i seen a good explanation, perhaps could someone draw up a quick scratch notation chart? a shite one in paint will do, i just dunno when to do the clicks

 

thanks

Edited May 24, 2005 by Sinergee

[Steve]

There's loads of explanations of this. To me, the description suggests you do the same record movement as a normal flare, but you delay the clicks rather than clicking in the middle of the sound. Just try out different things man! My hands seem to be stuck in a pattern of doing normal flares and flare orbits, but occasionally I can get it to sound different.

[chile]

look for the 3/4 time signiture scratches in -

 

http://www.dextrousmonkey.com/scratchposter.htm

[Steve]

I'm sure Ryan doesn't do that mate and he does them well. Where did that description come from?

[chile]

cocob (for the delayed 2 clicker diagram) , and ryan does another delay scratch, there are many!

[denio]

one thing you can do is..jus t do normal 2 click orbits then move the record 1/3 faster while still doing the 2 click orbit motion(with the same speed) with you faderhand....

 

then there is the description by cocob...i learned it with this method btw..its the easiest and most on point description i know of

 

 

do this

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B

 

(forth, back, forth, back) simple baby scratch

 

now

 

in this timing you can lay a clicker pattern like this :

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 (4/4)

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B (VINYL)

 

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 (3/4) CLICKER

 

Now, accent the 1 and 2 of the 3/4th timing which means u have to click on the 1 and 2, skip 3, repeat.

 

that, my friends is delayed flare

[dextrous]

look for the 3/4 time signiture scratches in -

 

http://www.dextrousmonkey.com/scratchposter.htm

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WTF that shit is making my eyes hurt. None of those 3/4 patterns are even flares. All of the clicks are on the turning point between forwards and back on the record ie chirp patterns.

[Steve]

cocob (for the delayed 2 clicker diagram) , and ryan does another delay scratch, there are many!

Why is it called a 2 clicker when only one click is shown? Also if you click on the point where the record changes direction then that's not really a flare. Post a file bitch!

[dextrous]

one thing you can do is..jus t do normal 2 click orbits then move the record 1/3 faster while still doing the 2 click orbit motion(with the same speed) with you faderhand....

 

then there is the description by cocob...i learned it with this method btw..its the easiest and most on point description i know of

 

 

do this

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B

 

(forth, back, forth, back) simple baby scratch

 

now

 

in this timing you can lay a clicker pattern like this :

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 (4/4)

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B (VINYL)

 

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 (3/4) CLICKER

 

Now, accent the 1 and 2 of the 3/4th timing which means u have to click on the 1 and 2, skip 3, repeat.

 

that, my friends is delayed flare

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Thats hella confusing but it is right.

Try this.

Do standard 2 click orbits and then change your record hand up to scratch triplets instead while keeping the fader clicks the same.

 

The pattern ends up very similar to (but not quite identical) as

- Original flare - 2 transforms forward - Reverse original flare - 2 transforms back.

[denio]

the dealyed flare is not a flare!!!!...forget about the name

 

cocob's description is the easiest believe me

 

fuck those diagrams..i mean everybody use what fits him the most..but i cant stand diagrams

[chile]

look for the 3/4 time signiture scratches in -

 

http://www.dextrousmonkey.com/scratchposter.htm

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WTF that shit is making my eyes hurt. None of those 3/4 patterns are even flares. All of the clicks are on the turning point between forwards and back on the record ie chirp patterns.

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well done dextrous, thats because theyre not flare patterns

 

when you do the delayed 2 clicker fast you'll realise why its called so.. you can pincer click the 2 clicks, feels like your doing 2 click orbits but with a different record movement. i'll post a better delay 2 clicker then i did last time when i get home if i have the time.

[denio]

cocob description may look confusing..but its very simple in fact

try it

[pedostyle]

wow you guys replied pretty fast thanks

[chile]

the dealyed flare is not a flare!!!!...forget about the name

 

cocob's description is the easiest believe me

 

fuck those diagrams..i mean everybody use what fits him the most..but i cant stand diagrams

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nevertheless, if you can read a diagram it will save you the time reading a broad, written description.. words can be taken different ways, simple diagrams can't if you understand the simple rules in them.

[pedostyle]

the dealyed flare is not a flare!!!!...forget about the name

 

cocob's description is the easiest believe me

 

fuck those diagrams..i mean everybody use what fits him the most..but i cant stand diagrams

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nevertheless, if you can read a diagram it will save you the time reading a broad, written description.. words can be taken different ways, simple diagrams can't if you understand the simple rules in them.

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exactly, the description on asis gave me a friggen headache

[Steve]

Post up a file of this with the corresponding diagrams: -

 

http://www.asisphonics.net/realaudio/delayflare.ram

 

[pedostyle]

one thing you can do is..jus t do normal 2 click orbits then move the record 1/3 faster while still doing the 2 click orbit motion(with the same speed) with you faderhand....

 

then there is the description by cocob...i learned it with this method btw..its the easiest and most on point description i know of

 

 

do this

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B

 

(forth, back, forth, back) simple baby scratch

 

now

 

in this timing you can lay a clicker pattern like this :

 

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 (4/4)

 

F B F B F B F B F B F B (VINYL)

 

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 (3/4) CLICKER

 

Now, accent the 1 and 2 of the 3/4th timing which means u have to click on the 1 and 2, skip 3, repeat.

 

that, my friends is delayed flare

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i am kinda retarded with time signatures and what not

 

on the "clicker" line do you mean that is the count or thats actually how many clicks i do on each forward + back motion

[denio]

okay ill try to explain

 

just do that....

 

move the record forward---1

move the record backward---2

move the record forward---3

move the record backward---1

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hence 3/4 signature..when you would count the 4 you actually count at 1 again

 

count in your head...and at 1 and 2 you click once

 

cant desribe it easier

[x2k]

Could someone (Ryan possibly) just post a slow delayed flare on it's one with no beat then those who really wanna know can disect the waveform in sound forge

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then after 10 hours of analysis we can all agree on the simple fact the we still won't all agree on how to do a delayed flare

[Steve]

I did a baby scratch on the 5th February 1985 and I just did the clicks now. Beat that for delayed.

[chile]

http://dextrousmonkey.com/delayed2clicker.mp3

 

the delay 2 clicker comes in after the babies.. then after that is some slow chirps to show the difference between the techs.. and then some caca cuts.

[Steve]

Why would it be called a two-clicker if you click the fader once?

[denio]

you click in a 2click motion

[denio]

thats a nice example of a 2 delayed 2click chile....cool

[Steve]

In the diagram there is one click where the record changes direction. Where do you see two?