scottie(the)goonie Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Hey Gentlemen. I'm doing a bit of research on scratching history and how it's been used in popular music that isn't necessarily in the genre of hip-hop. I already have many examples of it used in funk-rock, alternative, and nu-metal (Limpbizkit, Incubus, Sublime, Rage Against the Machine). I'm looking for examples that may have came before my time or genres that missed. I was born in 1986 so most of what I know came from late 90's to early 2000's. Stuff like Portishead is interesting. Also looking for examples of "emulated" non-digital scratching. The best example I know of is Rage Against the Machine - Bulls On Parade where guitar strings are used to scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 There were some dance music songs in the mid-late 80s that featured scratching, for example: - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutdisco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Not really answering your question but concerning scratching in other styles of music, Urban dance squad was a melting pot of styles They were actually an inspiration to RATM, this is early 90s before RATM came out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutdisco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 And also London based label Suburban base had a lot of uptempo breakbeat tunes where the basslines would be scratched and so on, i think it was Dj hype doing that(before it was called jungle, but i could be wrong about that detail) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deft Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Definitely plenty of rave music (early 90s) will have scratchy noises / samples in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 https://youtu.be/j9F7Ox2cv2A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 https://youtu.be/3Lzjj7FQr7o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 FUCK YOUR SHITTY AUTO EMBEDDING STEVE 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutdisco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutdisco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Deft said: https://youtu.be/j9F7Ox2cv2A didnt know this version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I guess Bring Forth The Guillotine is probably UK Hip-Hop, just seemed to be played in raves of that era alongside acid house, hardcore etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mista_Ed Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 yeh - loads of hardcore stuff from the original 90s releases danny breaks springs to mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfsop Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 hours ago, scottie(the)goonie said: I already have many examples of it used in funk-rock, alternative, and nu-metal (Limpbizkit, Incubus, Sublime, Rage Against the Machine). I'm looking for examples that may have came before my time or genres that missed. I was born in 1986 so most of what I know came from late 90's to early 2000's. Stuff like Portishead is interesting. Acid Jazz and Ninja Tune in general. Not sure where you stand on stuff like The Avalanches and later Coup 2 Cross stuff - those had some mass appeal. 5 hours ago, scottie(the)goonie said: Also looking for examples of "emulated" non-digital scratching. The best example I know of is Rage Against the Machine - Bulls On Parade where guitar strings are used to scratch. Zig-A-Zig-Ahhhh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Posted November 4, 2021 Share Posted November 4, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 6:22 PM, Deft said: Definitely plenty of rave music (early 90s) will have scratchy noises / samples in. Yeah, for sure. In the latter half of the 80s into the early 90s in the UK, quite a few DJs in their late teens and early 20s that started out being hip-hop DJs moved into other areas, like rave music, house, then jungle and D&B, and I think that's why a fair bit of that music is very heavily sample-based, with samples/beats from hip-hop songs featuring a lot, plus it's why you'd hear scratching in some of those tracks, although some of that was sampled too. It was also a time where people weren't getting their asses sued for sampling. Well, not that much anyway. One early example of a lawsuit was with "Pump Up The Volume" that I posted in my first reply. The original version of that track had CJ Mackintosh doing some transforming on the vocal sample at the start of this: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3OYWkrvGI4 Unfortunately, whoever uploaded that video has blocked embedding of it on external sites. That song was originally released as a white label called "Roadblock - Roadblock" and was designed to make DJs think it was an American import made by some cool producers in the US, when it was actually made by Stock, Aitken and Waterman (SAW), who were responsible for filling the charts up with utter shite like Kylie Minogue, Jason Donovan and what have you. SAW did it cos they knew that nobody cool would play one of their songs in a club, so it was kinda to prove a point. They later owned up to it and put their own name to it. In the end, they came to a deal where a new version of "Pump Up The Volume" would be released with the sample removed. Here's the OG version with the sample still in it: - Interestingly, as "Pump Up The Volume" was flying up the charts, look what the number 1 record was at the time: - Rick Astley being one of SAW's artists of course, but I'm sure that had nothing to do with them trying to interfere with the distribution of the M/A/R/R/S record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfsop Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Probably too obvious, but just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHhD4PD75zY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCBN7lyLT4w 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie(the)goonie Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 Thanks guys, this is a lot of stuff! @mfsop Side note: Holy hell I have never seen the Herbie Hancock - Rokit music video before. Shit is downright disturbing and awesome. I guess everyone was riding the Kraftwerk train at the time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djnumnuts Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Also on the big beat and Mo wax tip, must have loads with cutting on them, and Buckethead also for more guitar scratching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie(the)goonie Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, djnumnuts said: Buckethead also for more guitar scratching. Do you have a reference video for this guitar scratching? Or the one he is most famous for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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