The Destruction Of Progress – Save Yourself

[kwote]

Hey everyone,

 

I have a new article to share with you about why negative thinking is detrimental when working to improve your scratching and how to consistently defeat it. Enjoy!

 

The Destruction Of Progress - Save Yourself

[chile]

i think you could do with cutting out a lot in your article(s). i read a few paragraphs in and you seem to introduce things very slowly in an elementary way. it almost comes across like youre catering to the lowest common denominator i.e young and naive dj kid thats not well read. i know youre building into the subject youre disscussing but i felt like discontinuing reading after the first 3 paragraphs hadn't really gone very far in terms of providing useful information. i think you could have compressed what you wrote into a concise 2-3 paragraphs if you took out the fluff in the other 9 -10.. I dont mean to come across highly critical but i think it needed to be said after investing time into reading this to the end.

[kwote]

i think you could do with cutting out a lot in your article(s). i read a few paragraphs in and you seem to introduce things very slowly in an elementary way. it almost comes across like youre catering to the lowest common denominator i.e young and naive dj kid thats not well read. i know youre building into the subject youre disscussing but i felt like discontinuing reading after the first 3 paragraphs hadn't really gone very far in terms of providing useful information. i think you could have compressed what you wrote into a concise 2-3 paragraphs if you took out the fluff in the other 9 -10.. I dont mean to come across highly critical but i think it needed to be said after investing time into reading this to the end.

 

Thanks for the feedback. You have a point. Although I'm guessing based on your skill level and critique that you're not currently suffering from the problem I'm addressing in the article so I could see why it would be a wash for you. All I really did was take people through the process of what I had to do myself years ago to develop the "I will" mindset.

[Chris]

I've got one Kwote - stop giving it the old SEO wiz stuff because it makes you look like a twat. I'm being blunt because it winds me up and I don't really want to countenance the thought of the only forum I really come to for a bit of no bullshit conversation/bullying becoming turned into a thinly veiled search engine beard. DV hasn't got anywhere near the PR to make it worth you putting up a backlink every couple of weeks anyway.

[kwote]

I don't get much love from search engines and that isn't my goal, but it's not going to hurt to include it. My articles are to help those that need it. If people find my articles via DV in a search engine that's a win for everyone. The people that need the help, more exposure/traffic for DV and myself. Anyway, I don't appreciate your negativity and I have an audience that finds value in what I do with or without this board so save the name calling for another person/thread. I have no negative or overly self serving intentions. You don't know me well enough to realize how much I sacrifice for the love of this art form, so don't make assumptions.

[Chris]

blah blah and boo hoo sunshine. either be honest or don't but don't expect to draw anyone with a brain in.

[Yoshi]

I'm with Kwote here. There are many lurkers and guests who come to DV's scratch techniques section (I'd know because I refer them to here) so it's a major plus for them, and DV as well because of the visitors, as Kwote mentioned.

 

I don't understand why you would be wound up by this though, Chris. Just ignore it if it doesn't suit you.

[Chris]

yosh i don't think you totally understand what the original thorn in my heel was but anyway, guru articles are ten a penny. if you really want me to go into the actual morals, ethics, and philosophy behind money vs wealth and what is worth doing then i'll dedicate some time another day but if it's worth giving these wishy washy 'inspiration' articles on the basis someone might buy some shitty ebook and some skype time that's not worth a couple of decent meals then i'm a monkey's uncle.

[Yoshi]

I get the guru-ish nature of the articles, and I understand why it wouldn't appeal to cynics, but it works for others. Why deprive those who may find this useful because it doesn't appeal to one person?

[Chris]

It's not the actual message, it's the seeded links... I'm not touching the sentIment in your statement. TOO EASY

[doppelkorn]

IMO it's on a similar tip to the dude who spams here for London based events. Steve allows it and it's his forum but if it was me I'd not. If you're not contributing then why are you coming to the board?

[kwote]

IMO it's on a similar tip to the dude who spams here for London based events. Steve allows it and it's his forum but if it was me I'd not. If you're not contributing then why are you coming to the board?

 

I've got over 70 posts and only two of them are threads I started where I posted my articles for people that will find value from them. Spam would equate to me constantly posting new threads promoting my stuff or something that's not even related to scratching. I'm posting in the scratch technique section. The two threads I started are mental techniques(strategies) proven successful by many a musician which will yield value to anyone who chooses to see the value in them. A cynic or jaded person will never gain value from anything I do or service I provide and thus I don't pander to that audience.

 

As stated earlier, I do just fine with or without this board and am only looking for a win/win here. I don't have to be here and will likely leave since my goal is not to be piled on by haters. Just know that nobody is going to shake my confidence or knock my services successfully. The people that find value from what I do, including my students are doing well and I've seen dramatic improvement from them. I love what I do and take pride in it. I also realize that I can always improve at what I do and continually work hard towards improvement. So constructive criticism is welcome. Calling me a twat or a spammer does not equal constructive.

 

I apologize for those that actually enjoy what I do here. You know where to find me

[Chris]

I've written two full, long, and considered posts that have both (one in the club, when I accidentally made an 'L'motion when scrolling on my phone using my browser - which closed the window, and the second when... okay I'm not 100% sure but I ended up pressing back 5 times) gone into the following in a much more eloquent form that I may or may not follow up:

 

Kwote, I said you looked like a twat, not you were a twat. There's a difference.

 

I run a website that's (way) more popular than yours and I've never stooped to your level.

 

Posting your articles here is great.

 

Posting your articles with seeded links in them is fucking weak because not only does it not work it fucks up the feeling of the forum.

 

Calling me a hater just because you're you doing your 'thing' when your 'thing' is ebooks and skype chats that cost more than jumping into an entire community of videos with personal responses by Qbert is laughable.

 

 

I'll hit you up with more if we need it, but maybe you'll leave, just like you threatened on account of getting called out.

[kwote]

I've written two full, long, and considered posts that have both (one in the club, when I accidentally made an 'L'motion when scrolling on my phone using my browser - which closed the window, and the second when... okay I'm not 100% sure but I ended up pressing back 5 times) gone into the following in a much more eloquent form that I may or may not follow up:

 

Kwote, I said you looked like a twat, not you were a twat. There's a difference.

 

I run a website that's (way) more popular than yours and I've never stooped to your level.

 

Posting your articles here is great.

 

Posting your articles with seeded links in them is fucking weak because not only does it not work it fucks up the feeling of the forum.

 

Calling me a hater just because you're you doing your 'thing' when your 'thing' is ebooks and skype chats that cost more than jumping into an entire community of videos with personal responses by Qbert is laughable.

 

 

I'll hit you up with more if we need it, but maybe you'll leave, just like you threatened on account of getting called out.

 

I'm not on a popularity quest so mentioning your site and Qbert's is irrelevant. I'm fully aware of what Qbert offers and it's not the same thing as myself. Apples and Oranges.

 

Saying I look like a twat because of SEO vs. simply pointing it out without the name calling is a poor way to get your feelings across. Saying "shitty ebook and some skype time that's not worth a couple of decent meals" is a hateful sentiment. Again, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is welcome. Nothing you've said towards me is constructive. If you want me to respect your opinion than form a sentence that doesn't include cursing and statements that can't be backed up since you have no experience as a progressing student of mine.

 

Also I didn't threaten to leave, I simply stated that I likely will. I prefer being in an environment where people appreciate my work as any sensible person would. If I was simply running away because I got, "called out" as you put it then I wouldn't be spending time responding to yours or other comments right now.

[Chris]

"fuck off mate". That's a phrase that my housemate uses to mean a bunch of things, the juxtaposition of the expletive and 'mate' is worth a thousand words.

 

'Constructive criticism' is something that's taught to kids in high school (english high school, your grade/middle school) to encourage them to say why something's shit, not just that something's shit. How along the line it's come to mean you have to say something nice about something to say why it's shit is beyond me... actually it's not, it's because most people have their own ego to maintain so they try to passively coerce with people with shit ideas so that they don't get called out themselves.

 

I don't care whether you respect my opinion or not, because I have elaborated on not only why I think you do have value as an artist but also why I think your methods are detrimental to the value of what we're doing here, and that's to have a free for all. I've literally no interest in your opinion of me.

 

If you weren't on a popularity quest then what, exactly, has been the point of your promotional posts? If you didn't care whether anybody knew who you were you wouldn't post about your amazing scratching and how to get better at scratching and how amazing scratching techniques were your strong point.

[Chris]

I actually tried to embed more false links into that post and the forum software weeded them out. If that's not an indictment of the entire practice then I don't know what is.

[kwote]

"fuck off mate". That's a phrase that my housemate uses to mean a bunch of things, the juxtaposition of the expletive and 'mate' is worth a thousand words.

 

'Constructive criticism' is something that's taught to kids in high school (english high school, your grade/middle school) to encourage them to say why something's shit, not just that something's shit. How along the line it's come to mean you have to say something nice about something to say why it's shit is beyond me... actually it's not, it's because most people have their own ego to maintain so they try to passively coerce with people with shit ideas so that they don't get called out themselves.

 

I don't care whether you respect my opinion or not, because I have elaborated on not only why I think you do have value as an artist but also why I think your methods are detrimental to the value of what we're doing here, and that's to have a free for all. I've literally no interest in your opinion of me.

 

If you weren't on a popularity quest then what, exactly, has been the point of your promotional posts? If you didn't care whether anybody knew who you were you wouldn't post about your amazing scratching and how to get better at scratching and how amazing scratching techniques were your strong point.

 

If you truly believe that two posts with SEO can potentially destroy the entire vibe of a board that's been established for years than you really have a warped sense of reality. All you really had to say if SEO was your only issue towards me was, "Hey Kwote, SEO at DV is unwelcome so you should avoid it so you don't ruffle feathers." I would've been cool with that. Instead you resorted to calling my actions twat worthy and hurling insults towards everything I do. Which states clearly to me that you dislike a lot more about me than some minor SEO tactics.

 

I'm not on a popularity quest. I'm only looking to connect with those that need and appreciate my help. That's all. If I was on a popularity quest I'd probably be sucking up to any and everyone on the board, yourself included. Obviously that's not happening.

 

Also, let's get something else straight. You keep talking about my "shitty ebooks". I don't even have any ebooks for sale at this time. Do your research before you post or your statements have even less validity. Not to mention how contradictory you are. First you say it's only because of SEO that you're upset. Than you talk shit about my ebooks(remember they don't exist) and lessons. Then you say it's good that I post articles. Then you say my articles are wishy washy garbage. Pick a side of the fence and stay on it.

 

Maybe you don't care if I respect your opinion, but you obviously want me to be aware of it. You have motivation to post everything you've posted thus far, but it's not going to be taken into serious consideration with so much contradiction and lack of accurate information.

 

I disagree with you about your viewpoint on constructive criticism also. You made a pretty sweeping statement about it. If you do something I don't like, what good is telling you that you look like a twat going to do to change your actions? If anything you’re more likely to just keep on doing what you were doing or get upset and take retaliatory action? If SEO was you’re only issue with me, which clearly it isn’t, you could’ve squashed it easy as I already suggested.

 

And don’t come at me with your “fuck off mate” example like I should take your opinions the same way I take a friend’s. You don’t know me well enough to expect that. Not to mention my real friends know how to give me criticism without all the unnecessary digs you’re dishing out.

[R Funksmith]

*edge of my seat*

[Chris]

All you really had to say if SEO was your only issue towards me was, "Hey Kwote, SEO at DV is unwelcome so you should avoid it so you don't ruffle feathers."

 

Yup, I pretty much said this in a previous post, but... So I'm only replying to shut you down. Stop trying to push anything I say against me, I've tried to encourage you to pursue your endeavours constructively and even tried to portray your motives - but not your actions - in a positive light, but you're trying to twist everything I say to make your agenda seem worthwhile. I've lost track of what your point is here, and it pretty much seems like you have too - you're on the defensive because I'm putting you on blast for entirely legitimate reasons and your logic isn't just flawed it's slanderous. Pack it in.

[Chris]

One more thing: me being a longstanding member doesn't make me think I have say for all of DV - that's why it's a forum. My 'I said this' point wasn't based on me speaking for everyone, but myself.

[kwote]

All you really had to say if SEO was your only issue towards me was, "Hey Kwote, SEO at DV is unwelcome so you should avoid it so you don't ruffle feathers."

 

Yup, I pretty much said this in a previous post,

 

No, this is what you said, "I've got one Kwote - stop giving it the old SEO wiz stuff because it makes you look like a twat. I'm being blunt because it winds me up and I don't really want to countenance the thought of the only forum I really come to for a bit of no bullshit conversation/bullying becoming turned into a thinly veiled search engine beard. DV hasn't got anywhere near the PR to make it worth you putting up a backlink every couple of weeks anyway."

 

You also said, "giving these wishy washy 'inspiration' articles on the basis someone might buy some shitty ebook and some skype time that's not worth a couple of decent meals then i'm a monkey's uncle."

 

Say what you will, but it's quite obvious that you aren't portraying my motives in a positive light. The proof is in the post. You can't have it both ways. If you post contradictions than I have every right to point that out. If there's any truth to your final posts, then at least you were decent enough to admit that you really have no purpose in slandering me other than to shut me down. Pretty silly, but if that's your goal so be it.

 

You can go ahead and have the last word if you wish. I know you enjoy that sort of thing.

[Steve]

IMO it's on a similar tip to the dude who spams here for London based events. Steve allows it and it's his forum but if it was me I'd not. If you're not contributing then why are you coming to the board?

 

"Spam" being deleted or not depends on whether the content is relevant to DV and may be of interest to people on the site. It's also only allowed in one section - gigs/events. One of spindoctor's threads interested you, and that's an example of why I let the guy post. Perhaps I could separate contributing member gigs/events from non-contributing ones. Also, I'm open to changing the rules on "relevant spam", but I do also wonder why some people find it so offensive. I get nothing out of it BTW and never have, so it doesn't benefit me.

 

I do understand Chris's comments about the seeded links in Kwote's posts though. I think people take offence to that more than straight up ads because it's more manipulative. I don't mind people promoting their sites here as long as the content is relevant - which this is - but doing it in this way is perhaps not the best way to go about it.

[doppelkorn]

Kwote, I suspect the "wishy washy" thing refers to the fact that some of the stuff on your site could be seen as generic, "inspirational" stuff that's remarkably similar to the kind of article on your friend Tom Hess's site, which looks like it's been very SEO'd. Also the second Google autfill option on his name after "tom hess forum" is "tom hess scam". Now that rings alarm bells right there.

 

@Steve, like I say I know it's your forum and the stuff Spin Doctor posts is kind of relevant. It's more the way he comes, drops the shit then leaves. There have been follow up questions to his posts (from me, as an interested punter) which he's not replied to because he clearly only comes to post the ads. Anyway I'm not going to cry about it.

[kwote]

Kwote, I suspect the "wishy washy" thing refers to the fact that some of the stuff on your site could be seen as generic, "inspirational" stuff that's remarkably similar to the kind of article on your friend Tom Hess's site, which looks like it's been very SEO'd. Also the second Google autfill option on his name after "tom hess forum" is "tom hess scam". Now that rings alarm bells right there.

 

I've trained with Tom in his Mentoring Program and so any similarity to what I write is completely coincidental. It's only natural that his teachings would be reflected in my own writing. His primary audience is guitarists though so a lot of the quality things I've learned from him will never reach turntablists. I'm working to change that as I see a gap in the scratch world that I feel deserves attention.

 

Everything I write ultimately comes from my own experience. I only wish that I had these kinds of resources when I was coming up and so I write with the kind of person I used to be in mind.

 

This article in particular is mostly just based on the process I went through years ago before even knowing who Tom was. Tom is known on a much bigger level than myself and has dealt with plenty of people that don't believe in his teachings and thus many have gathered together on various platforms to try and debunk him. Total waste of life. I myself and many others have greatly benefited from working with him so when you point out the whole scam thing it's pretty laughable to me. I wouldn't expect you to know better though, considering you really have no idea who he is and have never enrolled in any of his programs. No worries.

[kwote]

I don't mind people promoting their sites here as long as the content is relevant - which this is - but doing it in this way is perhaps not the best way to go about it.

 

Fair enough. I'm new to this form of SEO and didn't realize the implications. Good to know of course. I'm cool with learning from others. I know I don't have all the answers. This is exactly the kind of constructive criticism I would've respected and listened to had it been presented to me from the very beginning. Thanks.