Focus Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Tactile Scratch Records... Here is a sample of what I've been up to, the Rane 12 and Phase moved the timeline up so I cookeda few of these up and putting them out into the flow. www.djfocus.com The design being used is available for Free via my website, it's a Vector / EPS File. You can use it or change it up, try your own designs.. There is no real standard pattern for these yet, I just go of me experience and intuition, if enough of you experiment maybe over time we can agree on the common elements to keep. What are Tactile Scratch Records for? 1. Grip / Orientation 2. Visual Cues 3. Textured Created Sounds (Hydroplanes/Ripples) Keep in mind these are not the only method, I've Sprayed,Brushed,Glued and etc.etc...etc..Give that a try too.. In my opinion as Scratching / Scratch Arts are becoming more refined and on it's own lanewe can reach new levels. One of my biggest annoyances helping to design Dj products was that they needed to be designedfor DJing/Mix and Scratching...That always limited what could be done for pure Scratch Artistry... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Symatic Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 cool man, and fair play for putting the designs out and encouraging experimentation! kinda reminds me of this thing where they guy sold stickers so you can make notches in the run out grooves and play them for your own amusement.... on that Mushroom one i can imagine the but thats been left blank could be played and then mad stufff happens if you use hydroplane style techniques whilst the songs playing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAbbott Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 looks really cool Focus, damn that's mad sy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 cool man, and fair play for putting the designs out and encouraging experimentation! kinda reminds me of this thing where they guy sold stickers so you can make notches in the run out grooves and play them for your own amusement.... on that Mushroom one i can imagine the but thats been left blank could be played and then mad stufff happens if you use hydroplane style techniques whilst the songs playing. I remember that video, received lots of messages and links to it :-) when it came out it seemed like an extension of the old battle technique to add a sticker or cut a notch to create a loop. Most of the 90s battle vids have them, it's what I used to love about the battles. Coming up with new things and ways to funk it up. In a way that's where this stuff evolved from it taught me not to be scared to funk up the record or turntable, be experimental...Most of my stuff predates digital systems here is a page from my old design book I uploaded in 2013 to FB page... The blurred part is for future use, but you may find the "Headphoneless" "Skipless" interesting too.When you dropped the record label with the sounds printed a few years back, we kinda got into the printing and aligning the sounds aspect a bit on here, if I rember right....I'll save that for another post, passing on some of what I've learned and techniques. I did contact a few peeps about parntnerships and having different Artists do different designs etc. But it started to turn into something other then what I expected, when I asked myself what the main purpose of this was...It's to contribute to Scratch Scene / Arts and see things grow...So funk it, let's get this out and about. These can be like Slipmats or Scratch records everyone with their own designs. Plus we need to figuire out which patterns and texture elements work best... If you notice the "Focus" text has the texture lines running through it, that was to see if the design would still be readable/visible plus function as itended.It actually came out pretty good imo, so that would be something to try. A more intricate design from Artists with the Texture. Anyone that wants to press one of these by laser etching the masters, I say rock onnn... not sure what the other companies and peeps I message are planning but they won't hear any complaints from me on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 on that Mushroom one i can imagine the but thats been left blank could be played and then mad stufff happens if you use hydroplane style techniques whilst the songs playing. Ohhh, I missed this the first time. Good eye, good eye :-)...Like I mentioned before this predates the Digital Systems, it was intended for regular Scratch Records, that's why I label them Tactile Scratch Records too... I left out that second track untouched on purpose, there is a deep groove on both sides of the song and you can add more tocreate sand traps. You are right though, the etched parts are the Panic Zone / Danger Zone haha..Actually have it all worked out but concentrating on the Armless System first...Analog Scratch Records is where my heart is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I still dont get it, what does it do ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I still dont get it, what does it do ? It's open to experimentation, but the basic idea is that tactile feedback from the record allows you to (a) know where you are on the record without visual cue, (b) know where you are on the record with visual cue, and © further manipulate the sound by using the texture on the record. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efhutton Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 do the bumps, like woody's grind strip different sizes, spaced at different lengths apart then, in the middle, do spiraling, progressively smaller and closer together, pyramid bumps, so the finger will slide off the side (not over the top) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efhutton Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Tactile Scratch Records... Here is a sample of what I've been up to, the Rane 12 and Phase moved the timeline up so I cookeda few of these up and putting them out into the flow. www.djfocus.com The design being used is available for Free via my website, it's a Vector / EPS File. You can use it or change it up, try your own designs.. There is no real standard pattern for these yet, I just go of me experience and intuition, if enough of you experiment maybe over time we can agree on the common elements to keep. What are Tactile Scratch Records for? 1. Grip / Orientation 2. Visual Cues 3. Textured Created Sounds (Hydroplanes/Ripples) Keep in mind these are not the only method, I've Sprayed,Brushed,Glued and etc.etc...etc..Give that a try too.. In my opinion as Scratching / Scratch Arts are becoming more refined and on it's own lanewe can reach new levels. One of my biggest annoyances helping to design Dj products was that they needed to be designedfor DJing/Mix and Scratching...That always limited what could be done for pure Scratch Artistry... all the ones i tried to make like this ended up slicker than a normal record and no good for hydroplane.the scratched-in lines took away the "stickiness" of the record i tried burning lines in with a solder iron, same problem they need to be raised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I still dont get it, what does it do ? It's open to experimentation, but the basic idea is that tactile feedback from the record allows you to (a) know where you are on the record without visual cue, (b) know where you are on the record with visual cue, and © further manipulate the sound by using the texture on the record.I still dont get it, if you cut lines in to the record like that, what exactly do you scratch ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) Efhutton"all the ones i tried to make like this ended up slicker than a normal record and no good for hydroplane.the scratched-in lines took away the "stickiness" of the record i tried burning lines in with a solder iron, same problem they need to be raised" Glad there is some experimentation going on..... I was trying to avoid getting to much into the manufacturing aspect.What you are talking about is embossing vs debossing...It is the same problem I ran into when designing the Knobs forthe Stanton mixers, the original design was embossed vs debossed, covered this a few years back and with some picturesof the prototypes and design layout. When doing stuff in the lab, it's easy to cut grooves and drill holes, debossing...The point is to take an existing material we are familiar with and upgrade or mod to work with what we have. To get a record with Embossed would be more of a mold type of manufacturing process vs record pressing.This a bigger investment, time and money wise...I've done full stickers,spray on materials,paint brush, glueddifferen materials etc....Like anything else money is the issue, doing things in the garage then we have todo what we can with the tools we have...I'm having to improvise tools for some of these things, metling vinylis no easy task, Embossing is on the list and in the end it could be a combination of the two. So far withDeep grooves ecthed it's enough from my experience...If you can post a picture of your work I can maybe give you some advice based on my experince. In regards to your technique, it's not a record just for doing Hydroplanes but you can adjust your technique or I recommendyou learn the Ripples...The 2nd record "Heart" "Mushroom" has a section that is untouched, you could do traditionalHydroplanes there or change the design to match your needs... Again it's ground floor, open for experimentation. If you are saying the designyou tried is not good for Hydroplanes,then i'd say adjust your technique or ask yourself why it's not workingand then change the mod the design a bit. Check out George Sirness on FB and Insta, he is a local AZ homie. He made a few videos before this designwas out...You can see Woody commenting on there before he went in the lab for his Grindstrips...All love we needmore asbract ideas and experiments so that overtime the Turntable Instrument is polished and refined with thestandard features, it's still evolving imo. Edited May 25, 2018 by Focus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 I still dont get it, what does it do ? It's open to experimentation, but the basic idea is that tactile feedback from the record allows you to (a) know where you are on the record without visual cue, (b) know where you are on the record with visual cue, and © further manipulate the sound by using the texture on the record.I still dont get it, if you cut lines in to the record like that, what exactly do you scratch ? Jam Burglar explains it well but I think you are asking as to where the needle goes... These are for use with the Rane 12,Phase or Numark CDX. Digital Systems that don't have a tone arm.That's when I use the term "Tactile Control Record" see picture of Red Record for Scratching with Standard Turntables / Tone Arm see picture of Mushroom Record.The Textured areas are not on the full record, there is a track that is left untouched, you put theneedle there, it's about 2-3 minutes of music...Same can be applied to a Serato/Traktor Record 2-3 minutesor a regular Scratch Record....Just etch around the good stuff... That means anyone making Scratch Records can mod their ish now,Mod Serato / Traktor or Diy recordsyou own.The sweet spot for tracking is about the center of the record so that's one thing to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 looks really cool Focus, damn that's mad sy! Thanks, they feel fresh on the fingertips too. One thing I've always hated was breaking the record in and still that flatsurface and slipping/shifting from scratch was mfing annoying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efhutton Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I wonder if nails could be placed under the record, then put it in oven, heat until soft, and would leave raised lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Why not just print a 3D record with grips ?Or have one laser cut for you at Ponoko or such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Why not just print a 3D record with grips ?Or have one laser cut for you at Ponoko or such. I asked some of the homies on FB with a 3d printer if they could print on top of a record some platter dotsor a line patterns...If the plastic is hot enough when coming out of the nozzle it will soften or melt the vinyland fuse together or at least have some goo adhesion...That would make life easier... Most laser services won't cut Vinyl Records because of the toxic fumes, it maybe it's just their ventilation system issues.I think an embossed and engraved record will be a good combination... For personal use you can make a template and add some epoxy designs, lots of combinations and solutionsfor personal use but too time consuming to mass produce and release into the wild.Don't let me discourage youthough....That only reason to use real vinyl is because we are use to that but any other materials will work, I'msure there will be plenty of slipmat scratching with the Phase... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 I wonder if nails could be placed under the record, then put it in oven, heat until soft, and would leave raised lines. It would leave indentations (debossing) and record droops/warps, but your in the right direction.The R&D is what takes the most work, go for it... Like I said I wasn't trying to get too much into the manufacturing aspect, more trying to start a movementwith the different designs and see what else peeps can come with so we can discover some common elementsthat work. Can you uploade a pic of your mod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 If you homies want to try some patterns with the Xacto/Utillity Blade you can use a ruler as a straight edge... Drill a 1/4" hole on the center of the ruler, put the record on the turntable and ruler on top of that, now you canetch some lines on the record, rotate it and add another one...The etched lines will be offset because of the hole being in the center of the ruler...It's a quik way to experimentwith some DIY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Symatic Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 you could make a stencil and use a glue gun or silicone gun to paint a design on maybe, that way you'd have raised bumps that were slightly tacky.... sometihng like No More Nails would maybe stand up to skratch abuse? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 You could paint pva glue, or even epoxy onto the record and use a grout comb... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 We have a winner !!!https://www.ponoko.com/blog/ponoko/graphics-cut-onto-vinyl-records/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efhutton Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Why not just print a 3D record with grips ?Or have one laser cut for you at Ponoko or such.Ooo...Yes! Instead of scratched in lines, fully cut through gaps of varying widths! It would look kinda like those metsl playters they put on the pt01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Efhutton Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Can you uploade a pic of your mod? No. Ive learned that lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Why not just print a 3D record with grips ?Or have one laser cut for you at Ponoko or such.Ooo...Yes! Instead of scratched in lines, fully cut through gaps of varying widths! It would look kinda like those metsl playters they put on the pt01 already did that, there bpm record pic, has a hole all the way through. That was before I made the 7 inch records, it's an 8inch too.It's no different then my slipmats with the cut-outs, it's all internet connected. Use a dremel, cut t thorught with a hot knife....but like I side for personal use they can get as compliacted as you want.Make sure it's well venitlated if you are doing anything with heat,get a cheap toaster oven at the thrifstore if you do anythingwith an oven so you don't use it for food also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focus Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 Can you uploade a pic of your mod? No. Ive learned that lesson. WTF, Ahh, not sure what this means, can you clarify? The point is to start a movement and come up with some coo scratch ish, that's why I share things and even show mydesign books to get the wheels flowing and brain juices going... Are you saying you don't want to share what you have so far cuase someonewill bite your ish? If that's what you are implyint then we are done home skillet...:-)..You don't see the irony?... Post a file foo, this ain't your personal forum with free consulation, it's intended forall the Scratch Nerdom...shhh Starting to regret the whole thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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