when something comes along which adds rather than subtracts and there is a negative response, i have to question that response. what is it with peeps who if they cant understand its application or if at least can see how it might benefit someone else who can , why cant peeps just allow it and stfu? what does happen is that when ever something does challange the status quo peeps extreme reaction shows how peeps think deep down, and in this case it scares me because i get to see the gulf between the so called turntablist community again. This is even more disheartening when you actualy make a living through turntablism and see it as a dissipating fad, the joke of the music industry where you can only aspire to be a background ziggazigga for a shit top of the pops band or to make a dmc final or sell a few scratch tools to the bedroom sleepers stuck in the emulating faustian loop. Its the age old problem which only some peeps can see while others sleep, eg dj vs musician. I dont mean to be condescending but when you reach a level where dj application whether its house techno hip hop etc hits a wall built from the tricks and gimicks mustered from battle dvds and general application you realise that the soul cries to create and join the masses who produce music that you yourself spin and herald. with a hip hop dj its easier as you yourself have seen the beauty of the scratch application. and when you realise that you can invisage or experentially see the limitations posed by the traditional table when you master most techniques you end up longing for that thing which will make your expression more expressive. lots of thing have been produced to help the dj with this furtherment , loop pedals , cd tables (quickly burning scratches to cd particulalry good for experimenting with new sounds to create for scratching) . but scrathing is the one thing which has needed this tonal improvement ever since the disapointment of the qfo. dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with the battle dj mentallity, you just have to realise it isnt the be all or end all you dont need to be so embedded and that you can start making music too which doesnt rely on the same sounds and other peoples style. when you start hating on things which have been created to help you be more artistic and give you freedom of style or just plane happier you create a gulf and a distinction that shouldnt be there, turntablism includes the dj battle style as well as musical approaches. peace and dont hate , ask woody for more info on the c one. The more we agree on this the more we can see a wider supportive arena for turntable music rather than the insular technical bedroom battle wanking which means more people being able to do this for a living , means more creativity, more gigs and clubs which are truntable sympathetic means more ladies sucking on my nuts more real sex than five knuckle shuffle.