Steve Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 There's 2 components to it: - 1. Not promoting an artist and/or removing their music from the service if it contents "hate content". 2. Not promoting an artist and/or removing their music from the service if the music itself contains no "hate content", but the artist has demonstrated "hateful conduct" in some other way. In the case of 2, they're willing to act as moral arbiters based solely on allegations. They've stopped promoting music by R. Kelly, for example, due to the allegations against him, even though he's never been convicted of anything he's been accused of. Broadly speaking I have 2 major objections to this: - 1. I don't want a company like Spotify acting as a moral arbiter in the first place. I can do that for myself. Also, I certainly don't want them taking action against artists solely on allegations, regardless of my own personal opinions on whether any particular artist is guilty or not. 2. Once you start acting as a moral arbiter, you open yourself up to people saying "well, you've taken action against hate content X, but not Y, so you must think that Y is OK!!!", or "you've taken action against artists A and B, but not C, D, E, F, G, H etc. who have done the exact same things or worse!!!". Some of this is already happening. Rapper XXXTentacion is one of the people affected by this and his team's response was to ask Spotify why no action has been taken against James Brown, Michael Jackson, Dr. Dre, Sid Vicious, Nelly, Seal and a whole bunch of other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Yeah it's stupid. The whole point with Spotify in particular is you can quickly train it to not play certain artists yourself. I'll choose not to play Gary Glitter myself thanks. It's like some weird moral sanctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I doubt it will hurt tyem, Swedish have a knack for doing utterly stupid crap that nobody moans about, Ikea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkei Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 You could still throw your money towards Jigga and his morally superior Tidal-Service...I mean his hard-drug-selling-hence-killing-people-career is over, so it's all save ...I haven't even started to consume music this way (streaming) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backtrack Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 I doubt it will hurt tyem, Swedish have a knack for doing utterly stupid crap that nobody moans about, Ikea.Haha....Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 15, 2018 Author Share Posted May 15, 2018 People are already starting to jump on the "remove this person!" bandwagon. A women's group called Ultraviolet wrote a letter to Spotify's CEO calling for the following people to be removed from Spotify playlists: -Chris BrownThe Red Hot Chili PeppersNellyEminemDon HenleySteven TylerTekashi 6ix9ineTed NugentAlso, in the letter they mention that people should not be glorified if there are allegations of abuse against them. "Allegations". Nelly was accused of rape, for example, but his accuser refused to testify against him in court, therefore the case was dropped. I don't know if he committed rape or not, but if he's innocent in the eyes of the law then he shouldn't be treated differently to any other innocent person. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Also, in the letter they mention that people should not be glorified if there are allegations of abuse against them. "Allegations". Nelly was accused of rape, for example, but his accuser refused to testify against him in court, therefore the case was dropped. I don't know if he committed rape or not, but if he's innocent in the eyes of the law then he shouldn't be treated differently to any other innocent person. WRONG. Come on Steve, get with 2018. It's guilty until proven accused. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Let mefix that for yoyIt's 2018, guilty until payments for the story dry up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 People are already starting to jump on the "remove this person!" bandwagon. A women's group called Ultraviolet wrote a letter to Spotify's CEO calling for the following people to be removed from Spotify playlists: -Chris BrownThe Red Hot Chili PeppersNellyEminemDon HenleySteven TylerTekashi 6ix9ineTed NugentAlso, in the letter they mention that people should not be glorified if there are allegations of abuse against them. "Allegations". Nelly was accused of rape, for example, but his accuser refused to testify against him in court, therefore the case was dropped. I don't know if he committed rape or not, but if he's innocent in the eyes of the law then he shouldn't be treated differently to any other innocent person. Nelly did rape the pop charts though... Also, this list stands out for it's omissions more than it's inclusions. Steve Tyler but no Jimmy Page, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, etc, etc? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 Backtrack time: - Spotify officially scraps ‘hateful conduct’ policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Toss bags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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