djdiggla Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I saw this the other day then again today on Mass Appeal... whats most surprising to me isn't how much vinyl makes but how little youtube and spotify (albeit the free spotify) make. http://massappeal.com/revenue-from-vinyl-sales-in-2015-is-higher-than-youtube-and-spotify-free-combined/ The original article was even more shocking which claims vinyl generates more revenue than YouTube Music, VEVO, SoundCloud, and Free Spotify COMBINED... I guess again that's youtube MUSIC... whatever that is. But seems like digital streaming music pays shit is the lesson. http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/09/24/vinyl-generates-more-royalties-than-youtube-vevo-soundcloud-and-free-spotify-combined/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rasteri Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Si/Darcy/Adam are clearly ripping us off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Of all physical sales CDs take 2/3, vinyl 1/3. (in reality much of the second hand market isn't even counted)It won't be long before vinyl sales will exceed CD sales, they just opened up a vinyl pressing shop nearby, ill take a visit there and negotiate about the prices. Who would have thought that 20 years ago? Good times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 ^^I dunno where those stats come from, but here's the album sales stats for the first half of the year in the US: - CD: 56.6 million Digital: 53.7 million Vinyl: 5.6 million Those figures are tracked retail sales from Nielson/Billboard. As for streaming, the number of tracks streamed in the first half of the year was over 135 billion - almost double the figure for the first half of 2014, so that's the real growth market in terms of consumer demand. I love vinyl and it's great to see sales rising, but I think digital sales and streaming would have to completely kill CD sales before vinyl starts to outsell CDs and I think we're a loooooong way off from that happening. People have been predicting the death of the CD for quite some time in the same way that people said "vinyl will be completely dead in X number of years" when CDs came out, but the sales show that people clearly still love buying albums on CD - more than they like buying them digitally still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Also, CDs are selling for crazy cheap in a lot of places now while vinyl is way jacked up in price. At Barnes & Noble Marvin Gaye on CD is something like $5.00 and the LP is like $20.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 those Nielson figures don't represent total sales, places like Discogs or 2nd hand stores are not registered sales and in the US you got a lot of boot sales too. But the official physical figures show like 10% Vinyl, 90% CD thats correct. As far as the high vinyl prices, manufacturing CDs is cheap, doesnt mean i want anything on vinyl, actually most current rap i don't even want for free (they got cheap rap vinyl at hvv.de you get them for free when you earn enough bonus points, so i took some bags and record brushes instead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 those Nielson figures don't represent total sales, places like Discogs or 2nd hand stores are not registered sales and in the US you got a lot of boot sales too. They don't represent total sales for CDs either, as tons of those are sold used - almost certainly way more than records. Also, if you're looking at demand, you have to include digital music piracy to some degree. I don't think used sales really matter though. Those sales have already been counted once and further sales from person to person don't do anything for the artists, labels, pressing plants etc. It's only when people buy new that they benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder how they count vinyl with digital download codes. That's the way it should be done IMO. If I'm gonna buy the music let me buy an actual physical copy and give me the download for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I love getting a free digital version when I buy vinyl, especially if it's on Bandcamp where I can choose FLAC as an option. That way I can listen to the album straight away and I don't need to rip the vinyl, which always sounds worse than getting FLAC files converted straight from the mastered originals of the track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 talking about used vs new..i bought a couple of new reissues lately and found out the sound was total crap, the only good sounding reissue i copped was Techno City by Cybotron on white vinyl. As much as i want to contribute to the original artist i do prefer used over new, unless of course its a new song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Manufacturing costs aside, I'm pretty sure they're marking vinyl way the fuck up. I bet the margins are a lot better and they're pretty much selling to the "collector crowd" these days so they can get away with it. Edited September 29, 2015 by Jam Burglar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blak Randy Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I sold my whole record collection last night. I'm feeling very very weird about it currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I sold my whole record collection last night. I'm feeling very very weird about it currently. Esh. I just thinned mine drastically in the past year and thought seriously about axing a shitload last night but just can't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Manufacturing costs aside, I'm pretty sure they're marking vinyl way the fuck up. I bet the margins are a lot better and they're pretty much selling to the "collector crowd" these days so they can get away with it. The guy who started sleeping bag records is opening a manufacturing plant in Brooklyn, here are some of the costs to start something like this, so when ppl complain about vinyl being too expensive then they should realize that exesiting pressing cannot keep up with demand and they run on 70/80s technology thats almost impossible to rebuild. $800,000: real estate in the east Brooklyn neighborhood of Brownsville; $15–30,000: one record press (Socolov acquired four); $6,000: shipping on a record press, from Russia to New York (dealing with its duplicitous seller was, according to Socolov, “the biggest crock of shit”); $10,000: repairs on record press; $10,000: massive hydraulic pump; $25,000: shrink-wrap machine (new); $65,000: boiler, for heating the water that will power the presses themselves; Unending: electricity, plumbing. BVW's Will Socolov and Nick Jett. Photo: Nathan Perkel for Vulture "The shrink-wrap machine, the compressor, the tanks, all the plumbing, the electrical, buying a transformer, forklift, shelving — believe me, this shit adds up,” Socolov says, sitting in his money pit, a brick building from the atomic age with a cardboard-and-Sharpie name placard on the front door so you know it’s official. (Brooklyn Vinyl Works launched a failed Kickstarter in June, asking for less than one tenth — $100,000 — of these expenses; the campaign raised roughly half.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Here's an example of what I'm talm bout $40 for a Portishead reissue? http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dummy-portishead/220078?ean=0602537972050 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I was once offered stock of a repress of Sade's 'Diamond Life' for £25 per copy, trade price!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 New presses hit the market: https://www.ausdjforums.com/topic/16267-brand-new-vinyl-record-pressing-machines-enter-the-market/ I would love to learn how to make lacquer discs for vinyl production. Would be cool to do something like that for a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Hmmm, I should really try out this new vinlys thing. I'd love to have a collection of vinyls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Not to be a snob but the plural of vinyls is vinylss. The second s is silent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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