Chris Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 If i were more organised I'd say more words but I'm tired, for some reason I really want to get this out there... who would you put down as cornerstones/originators to important sounds and movements? Dilla - neo soul, 'the detroit sound' (later 'the la sound', etc) Dre - g funk Timbaland - r&b/dirty south fusion Teddy Riley - new jack swing Rodney Jerkins - mid-late 90s r&b... perhaps more of an extension of teddy riley's sound than a complete new sound, in the same way that post g funk dre wasn't 'groundbreaking', it was just... hm, perhaps it was. not sure. DJ Premier - Boom bap (okay this one is probably highly contested because of the sheer amount of talent in the melting pot at the time so more of a cornerstone than originator here. who would you say?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Arthur Baker - originator of 808 electro funk Rick Ruben - first 6 or 7 hardcore Def Jam releases, heavymetal rap Pete Rock 90s boombap Neptunes - whore rap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest broke Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Kurtis Mantronik and Marley Marl need mentioning as well.Also, I think it's important to make a distinction between someone who creates a sound and someone who makes a sound popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Kurtis Mantronik and Marley Marl need mentioning as well. Also, I think it's important to make a distinction between someone who creates a sound and someone who makes a sound popular. Yeah. Teddy Riley coined the phrase "new jack swing", but he didn't come up with that sound. I wouldn't really say that Dre was the first to do G funk either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dissonance Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The guys that produced the BBD shit in the 90s had a lot to do with New Jack Swing's popularity... Richard Wolf and Epic Mazur. I loved that shit when I was in high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Symatic Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 ricci rucker - EVERYTHING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 /thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 the 90s was definitely the decade of the "swing" in the production of Hiphop and R&B, DJ Premier and Pete Rock are most influential out of the golden era of rap. But there were many others who made that sound popular like Easy Mo Bee, K-Def, Marley Marl, Large Pro etc..after 96 Puff Daddy came in the spotlight and made hiphop look like a joke, even accepted in the fashion world. Yes i forgot to mention Mantronix who was the king of the beats after Pumpkin RIP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Just out of interest, who would you say 'created' the early 80's electro sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Just out of interest, who would you say 'created' the early 80's electro sound? It's hard to say, cos it kind of slowly evolved. Ryuichi Sakamoto perhaps? Or the Ruckazoid, who created the early 80s electro sound around 2009, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdestroyer Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Just out of interest, who would you say 'created' the early 80's electro sound? Kraftwerk's computer world LP from 1981 was the foundation for the birth of electro funk Arthur Baker was the first to use the TR-808 on a hiphop record so he was a pioneer but there were others who also started to work with drummachines like Material from the Celluloid label. The Celluloid label released a lot of electro hiphop in 82-84 and most well known is Grand Mixer DST and Fab Five Freddy who made the "Ahhhh this stuff is really Fresh" on a record called Change the Beat by B-side. B-side was the wife of Bill Laswell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 This came out in 1980: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQOOA6BPlm4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Symatic Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 to be fair - the ruck introduced me to bruce haak, who's pretty influential if youre into anything electronic sounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 From the south you have to mention; Luke Skywalker/2 Live, Mannie Fresh, Toomp, ONP and by default, whoever produced The Show Boy's "Drag Rap". I'm not saying I like everything they did, but they were pioneers of much more clearly defined movements than some of the others already mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 Also, I think it's important to make a distinction between someone who creates a sound and someone who makes a sound popular. Yeah, definitely. There's also the thing where someone might create the nucleus but someone else really evolves it into what it became... Is it fair to say Georgio Moroder did a lot for electro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frost Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I always thought Ice T invented electro... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Schooly D? First gangster rap record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelkorn Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Schooly D? First gangster rap record? Well it was a rap that was obliquely about gangs and I've heard it called the first gangsta rap record but it doesn't sound like gangsta rap to me...doesn't really fell like it influenced a lot of other stereotypical gangsta rap if you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Kurtis Mantronik and Marley Marl need mentioning as well. Also, I think it's important to make a distinction between someone who creates a sound and someone who makes a sound popular. Yeah. Teddy Riley coined the phrase "new jack swing", but he didn't come up with that sound. I wouldn't really say that Dre was the first to do G funk either. Wasnt Joe Cooley before NWA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 I just think of 'urban' megadrive games when it comes to new jack swing. Maybe streets of rage started it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Schooly D? First gangster rap record? Well it was a rap that was obliquely about gangs and I've heard it called the first gangsta rap record but it doesn't sound like gangsta rap to me...doesn't really fell like it influenced a lot of other stereotypical gangsta rap if you know what I mean.Yeah, Ice-T's "Six in the Morning" really laid the blueprint for much of the (West Coast) gangster rap that followed. P.S.K. is more of a technicality than a huge influence... I suppose it could be argued that it sounds so different because he's from the East Coast or because it predated samplers in hip hop. Saying that P.S.K. never really sounded quite like any other track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 On a regional tip, Mac Dre - for Hyphy. Also, there a lot of 90's producers who didn't exactly create a whole style but definitely had their own much copied styles... Large Prof, Q-Tip, Muggs and RZA spring to mind... Actually RZA also claims to be the first to have used not only Kung Fu samples (obviously), but also the first to use pitched-up vocals samples in his beats. Might be true, although he claims to have invented DVS too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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