2ndhand Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 computer programming is an art.its not something you can just jump on for a few years, 'for the money' (like other IT positions). you have to genuinely enjoy it. for me, i love it. and as time goes on, there are less new programmers, and my skills become more unique. the programmers were "IT" long before "IT" was the popular field it is now. and we'll still be in once the short termers have hopped back off the bandwagon. C aint the nicest of languages, but i wish i had got into that in the 80's. maybe now i could work at a software house that writes games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 and as time goes on, there are less new programmers There aren't less new programmers. Degrees in computing are one of the most over-subscribed in the country. That's why you will see certain jobs in I.T. paying £15,000 when a few years ago they would have paid £25,000. You need to get into one of the other languages you were talking about - the ones where there are a shortage of skills. If you can program in certain languages, then making the transition to another isn't that hard. Get your CV up on one of those sites where you get paid to write certain pieces of code for some extra dosh too mofo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndhand Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 degrees in computing are completed on the whole by folk who get to the end of it and say "programming is boring as FUCK" and never go near it again. do you have a link to one of the code for cash sites? i fancy a piece of the action . . . ! edit## also this country has a growing IT skill shortage, that has already started to harm businesses (projects going late due to unfilled IT posts). this shortage is growing each year. less people join the industry, compared to those that leave it (retirement etc). the education system seems to be churning out people that either know only how to pass the exams on the day, or have learnt that IT on the whole is boring (especially at the technical level) and not the quick-fix easy cash route for just fucking about with computers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 degrees in computing are completed on the whole by folk who get to the end of it and say "programming is boring as FUCK" and never go near it again.When you choose a degree, it's more in depth than just picking "Computing". There were loads of people on courses at Stafford specifically doing programming (mainly Java, C or VB). There were also a lot doing courses in web development. Look on Jub Centre Plus online and search for IT jobs within about 20 miles of Stafford and you will see 55 vacancies like this: - "Must have skills in Adode Photoshop, Macromedia and Dreamweaver, have a good working knowledge of web site designs and experience in server administration, Linux and Windows as this what will be involved in the job. £5.70 per hour" That's 85 pence more than the minimum wage you would get for flipping burgers in MacD's and yet you need to know your way around several applications. The ones paying decent pay are specialist positions, such as this one paying 27 grand: - "Applicants must be suitably qualified with the ability and skills to project manage the various aspects of pathology wide laboratory information and computing across two sites. Two main aspects of the role will be the unification of the tow main pathology systems on to one cross-site platform and the implementation of order communications." Extend the search wider and there are a few decent positions, but not many. You would either need to relocate or travel to Birmingham or beyond each day too, which is a pain in the arse. If you take away all the jobs that say "Project manager" in them, you are looking at an average of about £17 or £18 grand, which is slightly below the national average wage. the education system seems to be churning out people that either know only how to pass the exams on the day The typical experience of a graduate is that they either can't find suitable work, or they do menial tasks that any non-graduate could be trained to do in a few days. Companies are not investing the necessary funds into proper training any more. They did when you were working your way up. Instead, they look to the more experienced people who are already established, leaving the graduate in the land of the £6 an hour IT professionals position. Quite a few students end up doing work placements abroad because companies in the UK either won't fund that kind of training any more, or the placement they are offering is unsuitable (data entry or some shit). Several of the people who I went to uni with are now working in Germany. One who got a first with some of the highest exam marks in the country is working as the bar manager of Stafford Rugby Club. do you have a link to one of the code for cash sites? No, but I will sort a couple of links out for you. A guy at the Cricket Club who is a qualified engineer makes his living from these sites. You get offered a certain wage for the work based on your CV and then you can either say yes or no. In some cases if you say no, they will offer you more money to do it. The advantage of this system is that because these jobs are usually short term things, in some cases only a few hours work, it would cost the company a fortune to bring in a consultant, so they use the existing professionals around the country to do the work at a slightly lower price, although it's still enough to put a smile on your face. If I can't find the link, I'll pop down the CC and ask what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndhand Posted November 26, 2004 Share Posted November 26, 2004 cool, cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 26, 2004 Author Share Posted November 26, 2004 http://technojobs.co.uk/right.step.recruitment.ltd/ There's one. That's not the one the guy was telling me about so I dunno if it's any good. **EDIT** - Ignore that mate. It's for the aviation and space industry I think! Hehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstamps Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) thats actually untrue. the key is there are far more jobs than "good" candidates. its a candidate driven market where good developers / programmers, IT staff can command WHATEVER they like in salaries. its the shit people - read juniors, 1st jobbers, visual basic, html, helpdesks, - i did a website for my mum, did some shit project at uni and built my neighbour a pc who are ten a penny and cant command anything in wages. if you are a decent sqlserver or sybase dba, a decent j2ee developer, a decent solaris administrator you can earn around £400 per day contracting or a salary of around 70K. you need to follow the trends of what the market is looking for and keep training in that then get a little commercial experience in it. No ones going to give you a dope job straight out of uni, but do a shit job for 2 years, learn shit then more up, learn more shit in that job then move up. keep doing that, if you really want it you can command very high salaries within 5 years. jeez, i know testers on 350 a day all they got is fuckin testdirector (takes about a week to learn) a iseb test certificate (takes a week to get) and a bit of unix expereince (2 years) and maybe a little RUP and UML (takes about a week to learn.) Edited January 20, 2005 by foodstamps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 thats actually untrue What is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstamps Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 thats actually untrue What is?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> most of what you said about the IT industry ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 You need to get into one of the other languages you were talking about - the ones where there are a shortage of skills. its the shit people - read juniors, 1st jobbers, visual basic, html, helpdesks, - i did a website for my mum, did some shit project at uni and built my neighbour a pc who are ten a penny and cant command anything in wages. Same thing ain't it matey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deeswift Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 This thread is out of date since we got the new skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foodstamps Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 lol true, stop moaning then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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