All the power to you, liam, but i'm just gonna go with an ipod since i'm a lazy bastard and don't haev the time to mess with things. besides with my student discount 269 for the black ipod video isn't bad, i'ts a shame that it doesn't have line in recording though, it's alot a shame that i know how to buy a 40 dollar base to do everything with it as well, plus money in accessories, but fuck it, all i need is an fm transmitter and the usb to ac power plug. See apple is smart yea the 30gb newer gen's are the same price as the 20 gb older gens, but the 20 gb older gens came with everything. Base, wired remote, usb to ac adapter, these 30gbs come with the ipod and a usb cable lol rant over