Jam Burglar Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I wonder how much its going to cost.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQPsln1d-Ek 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Did you see the Pro One and Odyssey clones they've made too? Oh, and this video made me laugh. Gaz is always pretty funny though, he just can't hide his inner ageing raver! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Haha, cocaine's a hell of a drug. This was the first I've seen of a true analog 808 redo. I saw the Roland one but it looked kind of weak compared to a real 808. This looks better. I'll have to check into those others. Kind of cool how they have a compressor built into this thing. Nobody ever tells you that when you get these old drum machines they'll redline like a mug but still fail to sound as "loud" as a record. I've been running my Oberheim kicks through a DBX 160X to get it evened out a little better. Not sure drum machines are ultimately worth the expense but they're fun and it would be cool to use real analog kicks for layering instead of sampled 808s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Will be on this for sure, and the RD909 and the RD999, that one looks to be the most exciting out of the three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkei Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Looks interesting. I'll get one if it gets good reviews and if the price is not in range of a TR-808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 They hinted at $350 apparently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubba Dutchdj Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 They hinted at $350 apparently Nice! I'll definitely be tempted to pick one up if it turns out to be around £300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 They hinted at $350 apparently I would scoop that in a heartbeat. I was thinking they'd cost a G or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebzer Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Haha, cocaine's a hell of a drug. This was the first I've seen of a true analog 808 redo. I saw the Roland one but it looked kind of weak compared to a real 808. This looks better. I'll have to check into those others. Kind of cool how they have a compressor built into this thing. Nobody ever tells you that when you get these old drum machines they'll redline like a mug but still fail to sound as "loud" as a record. I've been running my Oberheim kicks through a DBX 160X to get it evened out a little better. Not sure drum machines are ultimately worth the expense but they're fun and it would be cool to use real analog kicks for layering instead of sampled 808s. I wouldn't use a compressor on any og drum machine, even with a gun pointed at my head. Try using just a gate instead, if your signal lines are OK (cabling, soundcards etc) you shouldn't be needing anything else besides a gate. Compressors are the plague of modern mixing engineering. They were supposed to be used for corrective mixing only, but they're everywhere and they take the soul and breath out of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Trying to run an original 808 kick without a compressor is hard work if you want to add anything with it, but everybody has their own taste i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebzer Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I would never run any sort of 808 kick through a compressor. I would run it through a gate and keep it contained. Compressing that wonderful buildup practically cancels the point of using an 808, you might as well use any digital sample instead of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 From what I've read and heard in interviews, pretty much all hip hop mixing engineers in the 80's were using fairly aggressive compression on 808 kicks. Not using them to kill initial transients on the attack though, more to even out the sustain on the kicks so they will boom out more. Not like today's compression where people are just slamming everything indiscriminately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Yeah, compression is a highly varied and potentially very useful tool. I'd agree that the current trend for 'over-compression at the hands of an idiot' is not appealing, but there are many different types of compressor and much of the outcome will be in the hands of the user - their talent or lack of. When you look back over the entire history recorded music, pretty much every time you can clearly hear the drums in a track, compression is involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 The 808s prolific days (pre trap that is) was pretty much all tape, so use a compressor dont use a compressor, it was getting compressed in onewayoranother. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danswift Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 The TR-808 is massively overrated (with or without compression :-)) And yeah,while I'll happily admit that those machines sounded pretty damn cool on the early Rap records and the early Detroit and Chicago Acid Techno stuff but in a pretty relative short space of time that sound got so old and so predictable so very,very quickly. What's the point of this Behringer knock off ? It's a complete contradiction to the spirit of innovation in my opinion to be continuously imitating that ridiculously cliched sound as if it's still innovative or relevant 30 years later.It's just the same gimmicky drum sounds over and over with or without the filtering. I defy anyone to consistently produce good music with an 808. I do speak from experience here because I owned an 808 in the late 80's and after six months I was so bored with it that i couldn't wait to get rid of it to be perfectly honest. For £350 you could pick up an OG SP-404 and just sample those type of sounds and still have enough dosh left to buy some beer and pizza...plus there's the added bonus of if and when you've become bored with the SP-404 you can then sell it on to me hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Not sure if i agree that it is dated, but i do agree that 99% of music that warrants an 808 will sound just as good if not better with a sampled 808, but it is nice to have the source to sample when you need it, in my case the 808 kick itself is used in a lot of my music because i make a lot of Drum n Bass, but yeah a good sampleset would do more people proud. It may not be innovative, but it is going to sell like it comes with free tits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Burglar Posted May 10, 2018 Author Share Posted May 10, 2018 Agree that 808s are overrated. Pretty much all drum machines become "one-trick ponies" unless you start thinking outside the box with them. That being said, they're useful when you want them and there are characteristics of the real drum machines that are usually lost by the people sampling them a providing digital recordings of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Pretty much all drum machines become "one-trick ponies" unless you start thinking outside the box with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebzer Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 It really depends how someone defines "overused". The 808 kick is really abused nowadays and someone can even call it "generic" and he'd be right about it. But that doesn't mean that the 808, as a machine, is not remarkable to this day. Its low-end has so much body that it's practically infinite and can go as much as your sound system can handle. Not many machines can claim that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 It really depends how someone defines "overused". The 808 kick is really abused nowadays and someone can even call it "generic" and he'd be right about it. But that doesn't mean that the 808, as a machine, is not remarkable to this day. Its low-end has so much body that it's practically infinite and can go as much as your sound system can handle. Not many machines can claim that.Quite a lot of synthesisers can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexinoodle Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 The kick circuit is actually quite basic, in fact getting the lowend is just as easy in a plugin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rasteri Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Still got a few 808 kick drum boards left if anyone wants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebzer Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Anybody can dislike the 808 and it's hype / sound as much as they like. It's all about personal taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdiggla Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Still got a few 808 kick drum boards left if anyone wants. How much? Got a demo vid or anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deft Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 To celebrate this thread I just watched a documentary on the 808. It was quite fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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