i can chip in my 2 pence worth on the kaspersky v symantec debate i've used symantec corporate for a while and no complaints until lately it gets an update every wednesday but it is about 9meg i think it is trying to update the core engine etc but must be having a problem so keeps trying every week so today i thought i'd try kaspersky on one of my machines to see if the updates situation made it easier i installed it and it did a 600k update (liking already) then did a full my computer scan 3 hours later and it has scanned 1,580,548 files and no viruses found conclusion - not much, can't say that it is better than symantec because it didn't find anything that symantec missed, but that doesn't mean it is worse either just thought i'd share my experience if anyone else is deciding which to try the updating seems friendlier so i think i'll switch my server over to it too