@ tyra i learnt double time 2 click orbits first in twiddle stance, then pincer stance. The twiddle stance is easier and allows you to experiament with raising the speed without much effort. when your resonably comfortable with 2 clicking in the middle of each side, just take your single time 2 click orbits, remove the clicks and just do the record movement... examine the sound and speed of the record movement and try doubling the speed, then try adding the clicks. will sound messy to start with but you will learn to place the clicks in the middle at fast speeds in time. The pincer method of 2 click orbits is trickier.. you need make 1 of your fingers ( i use middle or index to pincer, my index finger is weaker then my middle so it took longer to learn on it) and make it work with your thumb to create 2 click in one action. The followin instructions on pincering are taken from manipulates post on asis which i think describes pincer 2 click orbits really well. 'The way I do them is grip the fader and hold it while I'm doing the 2 clicks on the forward, then I release my thumb from the fader and then grip it again and do 2 more clicks on the reverse. The clicks are like bursts or spasms and they are seperated by release/pinch in between the bursts. It looks like you're just doing a pinch but really its a burst of 2 clicks, a pinch, and then another burst of 2 clicks.'