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#21 savwar

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Posted 14 August 2017 - 05:37 PM

I like the idea but i'm a little skeptical

 

This is just a record player that doesn't have a needle and doesn't play actual records. a CDX for serato

Maybe they should have gone all out made a controller turntable to help reduce the need for a laptop. Which is actually something that pioneer should do next seen as they have their own recordbox software, Basically a cdj1000 or 2000 with a motorised platter. As that would attract the cdj dance heads, and the battle crowd.

 

One reason that this might work would be for reasons of space, if they made a 10in version of this (or 7), it'd make more sense to me.

 

It's not small enough to be useful for a touring dj, like an actual controller, and not likely that they will be available at clubs (for a long time...)

 

800quid each and you have to have the 72 to use it...??  (or do you) either way..... hrmmmmmm

 

Is there still enough money in battling to be throwing this kind product out?


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Posted 14 August 2017 - 07:18 PM

I think you can use it directly with your laptop provided you have a Serato box or Serato DVS mixer. I think the 72 just gives you the option of having two extra USB inputs in the mixer so you can use two and not use up your laptop USB slots

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:20 AM

I'd like to have a go on one of these but if I can't play wax on it, I'd rather save my £800.


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Holy shit. Not even Bitches With Whips prepared me for that. 

 


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Posted 15 August 2017 - 10:44 AM

I've always thought it would be a good idea to put the needle search and cue point bit across the record in roughly the same travel as the needle reaches across toward the centre. With higher res led feedback so you can see better where in the track you are - seems like this only has 8 indicators?

I've also thought it would be cool to have only half the record actually touchable with the other side having a section over it with pads etc on it.

Also I reckon a high res rotary encoder would be better for pitch, it'd take a bit of relearning but you could switch decks easier and be more precise. A shift button could do coarse changes, and scale buttons ala controller 1 could take care of pitch play duties.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:32 PM

Yeah it is a lil pricey compared to other turntables - but it's apparently all-metal construction so will be (hopefully) pretty much indestructable. Also setting up will take 2 seconds since there'll be no calibration etc to perform.

Also remember it's less than half the price of a single CDJ.

I see it being useful in situations where the DJ can take all their own equipment and might be subject to a slightly iffy noise/vibration/electrical environment - festivals, outdoor events, etc etc.

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:51 PM

I think you can use it directly with your laptop provided you have a Serato box or Serato DVS mixer. I think the 72 just gives you the option of having two extra USB inputs in the mixer so you can use two and not use up your laptop USB slots


Presumably you can use it with any Serato enabled device with an audio interface, including controllers?

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 07:23 PM

I do find it mildly aggravating that they have rotated the lettering to be "normal" in what is a battle style layout. I would probably rotate the unit back to "normal" but then all the lettering is sideways. I'd get over it I suppose.

I like the idea of this, but I haven't got any other Serato gear. Seems like I wouldn't be able to just plug this in as a massive Serato software dongle and use another soundcard to do audio?

I don't think there is a massive market for this, but if they can get it "good enough" for decent scratching / latency I'll get one. To be honest it's been about a million years since I used DVS, but when I did I never found the latency / response too aggravating (obviously I can't chirp fast enough to notice).


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#28 Mutis Mayfield

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:52 AM

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 03:39 PM

I don't see why you can't use this with the Z2, it does have 2 USB ports.  Its not like the 72 was the firs to do it 



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Posted 16 August 2017 - 06:02 PM

I don't see why you can't use this with the Z2, it does have 2 USB ports.  Its not like the 72 was the firs to do it 

 

Currently its a SDJ device, native support for Traktor would be lovely but probably yet another Traktor fanboy pipe dream :(

 

I've always thought it would be a good idea to put the needle search and cue point bit across the record in roughly the same travel as the needle reaches across toward the centre. With higher res led feedback so you can see better where in the track you are - seems like this only has 8 indicators?

I've also thought it would be cool to have only half the record actually touchable with the other side having a section over it with pads etc on it.

Also I reckon a high res rotary encoder would be better for pitch, it'd take a bit of relearning but you could switch decks easier and be more precise. A shift button could do coarse changes, and scale buttons ala controller 1 could take care of pitch play duties.

Pm me my development fees, thanks.

Agreed with all of that and totally the turntable controller Id prefer. 

Ergonomically speaking the Twelve as a deck of the future doesn't have a great control layout but considering how touchy the tablist market is about change I think Rane have been wise to ultimately jus make it about the platter and leave software controls to the mixer. In the long run the Twelve IMO is the stepping stone needed for wider acceptance of such a device and hopefully further down the line a more involved turntable media player that won't need a laptop. 

Im all out digital when it comes to tablist performance stuff, DVS is great for dual purposing a turntable from analogue to digital but ultimately its like anything that tries to do two things = great at one job and in the right environment ok at the other. DVS is clearly more than functional but fuck me how much better/tighter does it feel to cut or mix with real wax in comparison?! 

Ive been longing for something like the 12 to drop as hopefully it'll be the start of the scene accepting a digi turntable and encourage further development from manufactures. Having a perfectly stable control signal where the vinyl torque won't change from record to record, needles won't get damaged, build up with fluff, poor floor isolation from bass etc.. would be dream come true and get far better experience from using software.

edit: Shouts for Stanton doing this 10 years ago, hardware wise the SCS controller deck was awesome but it never got native support from any software which ultimately made it a glorified paper weight, shame
 


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Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:03 PM

It's been millenia since I used a CDX/HDX, were they noticeably better or worse than DVS? I remember thinking it was pretty decent but never spent that long on one.

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 08:25 PM

It's been millenia since I used a CDX/HDX, were they noticeably better or worse than DVS? I remember thinking it was pretty decent but never spent that long on one.


They're actually really great. They sound as good as if not better than DVS, and latency is (I believe) lower too.
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#33 savwar

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 09:36 PM

 

 

 

 


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#34 A-Skate

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 06:49 AM

I like the idea but i'm a little skeptical

 

This is just a record player that doesn't have a needle and doesn't play actual records. a CDX for serato

Maybe they should have gone all out made a controller turntable to help reduce the need for a laptop.

Exactly my thoughts. Sure, this could be a game changer for club setups, but as a DJ who enjoys/keeps building his record collection,

there is zero incentive to buy this. Quite frankly, the layout is a bit odd in terms of ergonomics: all the buttons that matter the most are on top...just a weird carry over from a traditional turntable.




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