Jimmy Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 thats a good bit of news. that'll sway it for alot of people i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm pretty much swayed by this mixer. Looks great, feels great. The faders feel fine, kinda somewhere between a well looked after PCV and a P&G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Where have you tried one, Chris? BPM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 fuck me, the Pioneer DJM-T1 has dropped in price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Yeah, I got to take a good look at it. The new Traktor 2.6 is a pretty big step up as well with post fader effects and the ability to edit the default mappings of NI gear without having to drop out of NHL and go into basic MIDI. Just to confirm, though, the upfaders are stiffer than the cross. Not Pioneer stiff but less buttery than the cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 fuck me, the Pioneer DJM-T1 has dropped in price! WestendDJ have a pretty amazing burn stock price (it's been discontinued): £569. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Shame that the mini Innofaders aren't user-configurable as I believe there's only 2 settings for the stiffness of the faders. I dunno what to do. I think I might just continue saving for the Rane to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Oh yeah - What's that DJM-T1 like then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 wow! its a shame i detest NI otherwise i may be interested in that. also i happen to love my mixer already, not sure if i've ever mentioned it. i think its good NI have done this tho. Im happy for the hastings boys and steve if no one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 No channel fader curve adjust. Fucking shite bollocks tits and fannies. Why can't these companies get it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The DJM-T1 was weird. It's really well built and has lots of useful features, but was ridiculously expensive and the faders are essentially modelled after the 4 channel DJMs (it's a different fader, but the feel is very similar for both up and cross faders) rather than being scratch friendly. It is a good mixer, especially for £569, but the upfaders definitely spoil it somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Only Rane seems to know what they're doing when it comes to the sort of thing I'm after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Great news on the fader-swapping - even if I couldn't, I was still gonna get one for the things it can do but it's nice to know that my £600+ will last a bit longer. As for the DJM-T1, apart from the faders, the lack of post fader FX, lack of FX loop and the fact it sparkles, it's biggest problem was when it came out for £1200! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loop skywalker Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 does any one on here have a rodec scratch box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubba Dutchdj Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) I'm torn, BPM Saturday I was in love the Z2, but after day 2 I couldn't make up my mind. I'm shocked at how amazing the xfade feels, you seriously couldn't tell that it wasn't a full on innofade pro. The work flow and traktor features are minimal but heavily performance orientated. I love the clutter free layout. IMO this is where NI shine on all there hardware, despite some heavy weight features the learning curve on NI hardware is pretty minimal compared to other similar gear. The single super fx knob and new macro fx do plenty in terms of replacing the need for a dedicated fx controller like the X1. They've basically hijacked the midi fighter super knob theory. Post fade fx option was a serious must, this isn't just a biggie for those who mix internally, it also means you can still have post fade fx while also being able to assign fx to individual sample slots rather than the whole remix deck. Negatives PLASTIC POTS! What a huge let down but no real surprise, £700 ish quid for a mixer and in less than two years the heavily used pots, Bass, Filter and Fx will feel the same as the pots on my sold X1, shit! Personally I'd happily pay more for metal pots but NI know full well most of there customers would rather pay less because thats the nature of the 3 year shelf life cycle we currently live in. Stoopid gloss fingerprint magnet finish, at the end of sunday the Z2 looked like someone had been eating fish & chips of it, but worse still was it took only two days of BPM usage for the white paint marking's around fade to rub off. Impossible to sample ya self cutting, the Z2 controls tractor DVS only via (anti post fade sampling) internal mode, meaning my long wait for an improved loop recorder experience continues. Maybe there just waiting for cross product integration and Maschine will take charge of live sampling duties, I say this because the loop recorder has been well and truly left behind in terms of updates since early versions of T2. Stiff line fades, seriously can some one tell me which main stream gear had stiff line fades 5 - 6 years back? Why in recent times do more and more manufacturers keep nursing mixing dj's in to thinking they can't control a free flowing line fader? As Chriss points out the Z2 line fades aren't the worst/stiffest but its a total waste of innofaders. Basically it's a two channel mixer you can scratch on rather than an actual scratch mixer. Most intrigueing Having the Z2 operate Traktors internal mixer does seem like an odd/interesting/pointless move when you consider it is also is real mixer too. If compared with other DVS mixers It's a completely new way of thinking and there must be a proper reason why NI went down this road. Potential foundation for Maschine integration is my guess, despite the Z2 being an actual hardware mixer and the S4/S2 are just controllers, all products work the same with Traktor making it much easier to roll out the same features across the range. Overall I can swallow my hardware discrepancies for the price, in terms of features vs money it's in a league of it's own. Via midi I'll be able to get a euro scratch mode out of the line fades, it won't be long before 12inch skinz create a cover to hide the easy rub off paint and dum ass gloss finish. The potential of fitting full fat innofades is a plus, but the likely hood is you'd probably knacker the pots long before the fades warrant changing. Happy to hear the DJM-T1 has been canned, Pioneer did implement the most important features of a scratch mixer, proper xfade and built like a tank. But super stiff line fades, no proper curve controls and not enough I / O to handle the loop recorder turned the T-1 in to a white elephant. BUT...... with Traktor 2.6 not needing a send and return buss for post fade fx I'm actually looking at the T-1 in different light. It may not be a proper scratch mixer but neither is the Z2...hmmm Edited October 10, 2012 by Dubba Dutchdj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for the impressions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubba Dutchdj Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for the impressions! No worries, I'm proper torn and needed to vent. Like you I wish NI just made a version that wasn't so compromised to keep costs down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Paul, there's a mint DJM-T1 on eBay at the minute for 450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Thanks for the impressions! No worries, I'm proper torn and needed to vent. Like you I wish NI just made a version that wasn't so compromised to keep costs down. Yep, your impressions left me just as torn as before too. lol. It's so close to being just what I need and that's the frustrating thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dubba Dutchdj Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) I didn't realise the centre panel was magnet too. There's definitely midi ways to bend traktor to add certain features like different curve settings for lines and post fade sampling. Despite my frustration I know I'm gonna end up getting a Z2, I couldn't have it as my only mixer, but having that level of software integration in between ya decks is something I've waited a long time for. The german in the vid, Eric was who I asked about the pots, he was pretty sure they were metal but after a fair bit of effort to remove a cap, glorious chinese plastic was revealed. Kinda got a bit awkward then. Paul, there's a mint DJM-T1 on eBay at the minute for 450 Up yours fuck face! you and me don't have ebay conversations no more. Edited October 9, 2012 by Dubba Dutchdj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loop skywalker Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 so this mixer has the traktor box/external soundcard built in???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest loop skywalker Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 right then...now i have something to aim for.....this is the shit i need right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Rock Well Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Up yours fuck face! you and me don't have ebay conversations no more. So you don't want know about the Minibrute on there for 280? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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