x2k Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Some thing that really pisses my off is when I see someone cutting with superseal and the sound coming out goes "ah ye ye yeah" This reason it pisses me off is because when I cut ah yeah it goes "ah fdhy fhsy eereah" I just can't for the life of my get the beginning of the yeah, I get it with many different samples, unless you get a nice clean tight start I just can't get that clean chop. Anyone get any tips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 you're talking about like stabs while releasing the sample yea? or normal stabs as well? post a file imo. (p.s. wrong section mod) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 practice? ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x2k Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Yeah I mean releasing the record and I'll post a file soon. The thing is even if I just slow the right down and just try and find the beginning of the word I can't real find it as the 2 words sort of run into each other so I can get that sharp ye ye yeah. Something like say what is completely different because the words are properly separate but some how people get really clean ye ye yeahs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 what got my phrasing alot better and then in turn what you're talking about is only cutting with accapellas for a while. it was annoying at first cos you really can to be on point, but i was enjoying it so didnt mind that much. Then after a while once you start getting comfy with it, going back to a one word sample is pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d00ban Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Sounds weird to me, would need to go on my decks to see if I have the same issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djfoly Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 After 15 years of cutting i reckon this is just hard Tom! Its annoyed thew fuck out of me for years too! Probably one of the hardest things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 http://youtu.be/4mRpxLZDQGA ^like on the say w-w-w-what cuts on this? They're the one scratch I picked up pretty quickly, everything else I struggled with for ages. If the sample slurs when you try and do them, maybe try and put less pressure on the record when you do the rewind parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 what got my phrasing alot better and then in turn what you're talking about is only cutting with accapellas for a while. Don't use phrasing like this or I'll delete the entire board. Phrasing is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5z4RkiGxJQ Phrasing =/= scratching phrases. (for further reading see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase_(music)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 what would you call what im referring to then Vekked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 what would you call what im referring to then Vekked? Sentence scratching or vocal cutting or word cutting I suppose, it's just that calling it phrasing is confusing because phrasing already refers to an important/relevant musical concept that's been used to describe scratching for a while now. You're not the first or last to use phrasing like that tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Crash Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) This is just about being to do stabs efficiently, no? Stabs are an overlooked but really important thing to practice... I learned to do em fast by copying the Piklz' famous stab routine at the end of their ITF team entry vs. the X-men, aka the 'Piklz vs klamz of death'.. have a go, it may help.. you can hear it @ 12.50 mins here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjJ4-GIWBDk Edited April 27, 2012 by Danny Crash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I think it's not stabs specifically, but like release stabs. I don't really do release stabs often but I know they're not nearly as tight as my normal stabs. Some people seem to be able to do release stabs really fast tho (Qbert, Unkut, and I-Dee come to mind) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Yeah there's a difference between these ('cuts' or 'forwards') and stabs. Stabs you hold onto the record and with 'cuts'/'forwards' you are letting go of the record. In my DMC routine I posted at 0:32 i do stabs and at 0:33 i directly follow them with cuts/forwards. When done quickly stabs have a slight pitched sound to them, whereas forwards/cuts are much cleaner and are a bit like hearing the same sound played over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericuk Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 to this day I still aint got "say what what, say what what, say what what" down! I am a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 "Release stabs"? A forward is when you play a full sample at the regular speed, close the fader, pull it back, then play it again. "say what..what..what..what" for instance. A stab is when it's just the start of the sample, so "say..wh..wh..wh..what". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 what is it if it's regular speed but just the start of the sample then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Then it's a stab. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvGrxj6hQ0 From 4 minutes on, that's all stabs apart from the forward at 4:12 (then obviously there's other scratches after that). It would be silly if a stab was any "tip" type scratch that was anything but the sample at its regular speed. A mix of stabs and forwards I recorded as an example for someone about 5 years ago: - Stabs.mp3 And all of that is pretty much the record going forward at its set speed, but it's not all forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekked Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 So then the technique in question is stabs, but specifically stabs while letting go of the record every time as opposed to holding it. All of the fast stabs in that file are being pushed except for at the end of each burst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kut_class Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 what would you call what im referring to then Vekked?wordplay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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